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I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW

by nicce 2y ago

reducesuffering 2y ago
That's not a good heuristic since Teslas have been far better than the i3
- nicce 2y ago
  Depends on how you measure it. Teslas rank at #1 as the most faulty electric car in existence. Everything else than the battery or motors are poor quality if you compare to any other above average brand.
  - porphyra 2y ago
    I would rather take panel gaps and paint chips than faulty battery or motors. Most sources would agree that small cosmetic defects aside, Tesla has the quite good drivetrain and battery reliability. [0] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... [1] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/electric-vehicles-are-less-reliable-than-conventional-cars-a1047214174 https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
  - cobalt 2y ago
    most faulty by raw numbers or by %? Also poor quality of what?
    - nicce 2y ago
      By % of failing mandatory inspections in EU. > Also poor quality of what? Basically anything other than battery or motors. Interior build. One big touchscreen to make anything as cheap as possible. Brakes. Suspension. EVs literally have less wearing parts by design and somehow they managed to made these few ones worse than on average.
- ultrablack 2y ago
  Teslas are the most reliable cars you can buy and has the most loyal customers.
DoesntMatter22 2y ago
Odd since BMWs are not known for reliabilty
- okdood64 2y ago
  This is an "old" notion. The powertrain in the last 10 years roughly are damn reliable. (The electronics is arguable.)
  - DoesntMatter22 2y ago
    The entirety of reliability involves the whole car as you alluded to.
- deleted 2y ago
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- nicce 2y ago
  It does not take much. In Germany, TÜV (Mandatory inspections in Germany), placed Tesla Model 3 for 111th in reliability, just behind Dacia Logan which was in the second last place, when the first mandatory inspections in 2023 started. You can find many sources about this, here one example: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...
- jayd16 2y ago
  Especially the electronics.
- jen20 2y ago
  Perhaps I’m the odd one out but I haven’t had any issues in 20 years of BMW ownership across two continents. Never had to do anything except routine service and consumables. One 3-series diesel in Europe made it to 220k miles before I sold it, and it’s likely got another 10 years of daily driving in it.
  - NightlyDev 2y ago

I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW

by nicce 2y ago

I would never buy Tesla personally if there is an alrernative with decades of experience, like BMW

reducesuffering 2y ago

That's not a good heuristic since Teslas have been far better than the i3

nicce 2y ago
Depends on how you measure it. Teslas rank at #1 as the most faulty electric car in existence. Everything else than the battery or motors are poor quality if you compare to any other above average brand.
- porphyra 2y ago
  I would rather take panel gaps and paint chips than faulty battery or motors. Most sources would agree that small cosmetic defects aside, Tesla has the quite good drivetrain and battery reliability. [0] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/tesla-and-nissan-make-the-most-reliable-electric-vehicles-a1003912076/ https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s... [1] https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/electric-vehicles-are-less-reliable-than-conventional-cars-a1047214174 https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
- cobalt 2y ago
  most faulty by raw numbers or by %? Also poor quality of what?
  - nicce 2y ago
    By % of failing mandatory inspections in EU. > Also poor quality of what? Basically anything other than battery or motors. Interior build. One big touchscreen to make anything as cheap as possible. Brakes. Suspension. EVs literally have less wearing parts by design and somehow they managed to made these few ones worse than on average.
ultrablack 2y ago
Teslas are the most reliable cars you can buy and has the most loyal customers.

DoesntMatter22 2y ago

Odd since BMWs are not known for reliabilty

okdood64 2y ago
This is an "old" notion. The powertrain in the last 10 years roughly are damn reliable. (The electronics is arguable.)
- DoesntMatter22 2y ago
  The entirety of reliability involves the whole car as you alluded to.
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nicce 2y ago
It does not take much. In Germany, TÜV (Mandatory inspections in Germany), placed Tesla Model 3 for 111th in reliability, just behind Dacia Logan which was in the second last place, when the first mandatory inspections in 2023 started. You can find many sources about this, here one example: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-in-german-tuv-reliability-report/ https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...
jayd16 2y ago
Especially the electronics.
jen20 2y ago
Perhaps I’m the odd one out but I haven’t had any issues in 20 years of BMW ownership across two continents. Never had to do anything except routine service and consumables. One 3-series diesel in Europe made it to 220k miles before I sold it, and it’s likely got another 10 years of daily driving in it.
- NightlyDev 2y ago