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Just run Linux computers on ionos with unlimited traffic and get on with the job instead of worrying about silly things like how much traffic passed over some i

Just run Linux computers on ionos with unlimited traffic and get on with the job instead of worrying about silly things like how much traffic passed over some internal software system and will it bankrupt the company. https://www.ionos.com/servers/vps https://www.ionos.com/servers/vps

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
Same but on Hetzner. Incredibly beefy machines. Unlimited traffic. No fear of any sudden changes that I explicitly didn't act upon. I do not know why people fall for the shiny marketing so easily, that too hackers? Is it all the Javascript folks? Vercel I know is propped up by them for sure.
- tptacek 2y ago
  I am never going to get tired of telling people that if they can solve their problems running on Hetzner, they should do that. It's not like a dirty secret of our industry. By all means, deploy with VPSs! Or on bare metal servers!
  - ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
    Do you have a blog post on fly's blog where you tell people that?
    - tptacek 2y ago
      We are incredibly backlogged on the blog. I've got 3000 words on Tigris rolling out next week, we've got the results of a $300K 3rd party GPU audit to write up, we wrote a replacement to Vault called Pet Semetary, we need to write up the billing system because, as you can see from this thread, people appear to think that's not a hard technical problem. I can imagine getting around to writing a post about when a VPS is a good alternative to launching a container on Fly.io, but it'll be aspirational; I doubt I'll ever get around to it. But I'm happy to remind people here of it!
    - genewitch 2y ago
      i mentioned this as well in another comment to parent. Hopefully it catches on. "Hey, SMB? you probably don't need our services. While AWS, GC, etc would be happy to take your money anyhow, [...]" I dunno. obviously any sort of thing like this has to clear all the departments because i imagine it increases support load.
      - tptacek 2y ago
        No SMB is OK with us zapping their services because some screwed up deployment or stolen token exceeded a billing cap. You're not talking about SMBs, you're talking about people deploying random personal stuff. We love those people, we're happy to have them here, but we do not price the product specifically for them. I get that this is a lot of venting about people's issues with cloud providers writ large, but damn.
        genewitch 2y ago
        i said SMB because SMB doesn't need cloud. if you have enough users to warrant cloud you're no longer S or M. I was actually going to start to concede that you might be right, maybe i should have said small-time users or something more eloquent; but no, i'll stand behind what i said. Dissuade all SMB and small users as much as possible. then there's 0% chance they get a surprise cloud bill. I solved the problem, yay. as i mentioned elsewhere i'm intimately familiar with pretty much every intimate detail of "cloud" from hardware, software, network, cooling, and ops (i wouldn't call me a dev. I don't think anyone else would or should, either.) I've bootstrapped cloud services from empty racks twice and repurposed existing hardware for cloud once. I understand why there's no "cap" available on any cloud services. I mostly have a problem with capitalism, which is ironic, considering this site.

ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago

Same but on Hetzner. Incredibly beefy machines. Unlimited traffic. No fear of any sudden changes that I explicitly didn't act upon. I do not know why people fall for the shiny marketing so easily, that too hackers? Is it all the Javascript folks? Vercel I know is propped up by them for sure.

tptacek 2y ago
I am never going to get tired of telling people that if they can solve their problems running on Hetzner, they should do that. It's not like a dirty secret of our industry. By all means, deploy with VPSs! Or on bare metal servers!
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y ago
  Do you have a blog post on fly's blog where you tell people that?
  - tptacek 2y ago
    We are incredibly backlogged on the blog. I've got 3000 words on Tigris rolling out next week, we've got the results of a $300K 3rd party GPU audit to write up, we wrote a replacement to Vault called Pet Semetary, we need to write up the billing system because, as you can see from this thread, people appear to think that's not a hard technical problem. I can imagine getting around to writing a post about when a VPS is a good alternative to launching a container on Fly.io, but it'll be aspirational; I doubt I'll ever get around to it. But I'm happy to remind people here of it!
  - genewitch 2y ago
    i mentioned this as well in another comment to parent. Hopefully it catches on. "Hey, SMB? you probably don't need our services. While AWS, GC, etc would be happy to take your money anyhow, [...]" I dunno. obviously any sort of thing like this has to clear all the departments because i imagine it increases support load.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      No SMB is OK with us zapping their services because some screwed up deployment or stolen token exceeded a billing cap. You're not talking about SMBs, you're talking about people deploying random personal stuff. We love those people, we're happy to have them here, but we do not price the product specifically for them. I get that this is a lot of venting about people's issues with cloud providers writ large, but damn.
      - genewitch 2y ago
        i said SMB because SMB doesn't need cloud. if you have enough users to warrant cloud you're no longer S or M. I was actually going to start to concede that you might be right, maybe i should have said small-time users or something more eloquent; but no, i'll stand behind what i said. Dissuade all SMB and small users as much as possible. then there's 0% chance they get a surprise cloud bill. I solved the problem, yay. as i mentioned elsewhere i'm intimately familiar with pretty much every intimate detail of "cloud" from hardware, software, network, cooling, and ops (i wouldn't call me a dev. I don't think anyone else would or should, either.) I've bootstrapped cloud services from empty racks twice and repurposed existing hardware for cloud once. I understand why there's no "cap" available on any cloud services. I mostly have a problem with capitalism, which is ironic, considering this site.