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Could you provide some references please? I'd like reading up on the things you mentioned.

by tcpekin 14y ago

alttab 14y ago
There probably aren't any. But it doesn't take a wild imagination to assume that both Google and Facebook facilitate government requests either with a dedicated staff or through an automated self-service interface or API.
- phuff 14y ago
  It doesn't take a wild imagination, but it should probably take a reference or two to a documented source...
  - samstave 14y ago
    https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/1456242/hiding-backdoors-in-hardware http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/1456242/hiding-b... http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/05_11_nsa-scty-compliance.html http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/05_11_n... If you really require references, then you have not been paying attention. The NSA back-door in Cisco hardware has been known since at least 1997, when I first found out about it. There are lots and lots of links to be found if you look. They aren't even hidden. Just know, that NOTHING you do online is out of view of the NSA.
    - phuff 14y ago
      I don't doubt the NSA is spying. I think making the assertion without documentation that Google et al. have huge teams of people dedicated to helping them spy is a bit beyond the pale.
      - grandalf 14y ago
        Consider the salary and benefits and office space costs of one employee at Google. Then assume that the backdoor interface requires at least a few employees. You're already at $1M. Now imagine a bit of extra infrastructure, people to deal with communications, legal, etc., and you're in the millions.
        andyzweb 14y ago
        pennies on the dolla®
        ImprovedSilence 14y ago
        And then we look at the defense budget, and it is in the trillions. I would bet anything that Google contracts to the NSA.
    - dredmorbius 14y ago
      The only part of this I take exception to is "if you really require references then you haven't been paying attention". I have been paying attention ... to some of what's going on. I'm aware of certain specific cases of domestic espionage through telecoms and tech. However, providing concrete references always beats roaming the streets with a tinfoil hat on your head declaring "They're watching! The rays!". NB: if I take a covert photo of a guy wearing a tinfoil hat, does that make me The Man?
    - Karunamon 14y ago
      "NSA back-door" >This article describes technical best practices to help achieve compliance with U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) security requirements for equipment used in military installations.
      - samstave 14y ago
        Yes, I know what the content is. My point with showing that particular article is that cisco is not ignorant of securing to NSA's requirements - they have been working directly with them for years. There are other MISO (psyop) groups embedded with all manners of information exchange. The Intelligence arm has people in all media outlets. This was revealed multiple times in the last 12 years as we found out that handlers from intel ops were approving stories in the MSM. This is NOT tinfoil folks - this is the farking reality.
        Karunamon 14y ago
        >Yes, I know what the content is. Then please point out this supposed "Back door" functionality. Should be simple.
        Karunamon 14y ago
        Someone parrots an unsourced tinfoil-esque screed, and backs it up with a citation that doesn't prove anything, and I'm the one getting downvoted. WTF, guys?
WestCoastJustin 14y ago
I remember reading somewhere about the "google aurora hack" that the hackers were able to access gmails built-in backroom and were monitoring email accounts. I cannot find the link right now but here are a couple for google and facebook. Google: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/ http://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/
- runn1ng 14y ago
  When I tried to find more about this once, I found out that all "sources" were basically Bruce Schneier opinion pieces.
acqq 14y ago
Somebody here already mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A It helps to imagine the scale of it if that existed for Google and Facebook.
- joering2 14y ago
  the Wikipedia article on this changed over the years (not looking for conspiracy theory here). About 2 years ago the lawsuit section was more detailed. It said something similar in logic to this article's title; the defendant replied that no room of such nature exists, BUT this lawsuit should be thrown out of the court because of National Security :)
runjake 14y ago
Some good places to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency#Domestic_activity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency#Domest...
mkopinsky 14y ago
http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/ http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatic...

Could you provide some references please? I'd like reading up on the things you mentioned.

by tcpekin 14y ago

Could you provide some references please? I'd like reading up on the things you mentioned.

There probably aren't any. But it doesn't take a wild imagination to assume that both Google and Facebook facilitate government requests either with a dedicated staff or through an automated self-service interface or API.

phuff 14y ago
It doesn't take a wild imagination, but it should probably take a reference or two to a documented source...
- samstave 14y ago
  https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/1456242/hiding-backdoors-in-hardware http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/10/29/1456242/hiding-b... http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/05_11_nsa-scty-compliance.html http://www.cisco.com/web/about/security/intelligence/05_11_n... If you really require references, then you have not been paying attention. The NSA back-door in Cisco hardware has been known since at least 1997, when I first found out about it. There are lots and lots of links to be found if you look. They aren't even hidden. Just know, that NOTHING you do online is out of view of the NSA.
  - phuff 14y ago
    I don't doubt the NSA is spying. I think making the assertion without documentation that Google et al. have huge teams of people dedicated to helping them spy is a bit beyond the pale.
    - grandalf 14y ago
      Consider the salary and benefits and office space costs of one employee at Google. Then assume that the backdoor interface requires at least a few employees. You're already at $1M. Now imagine a bit of extra infrastructure, people to deal with communications, legal, etc., and you're in the millions.
      - andyzweb 14y ago
        pennies on the dolla®
      - ImprovedSilence 14y ago
        And then we look at the defense budget, and it is in the trillions. I would bet anything that Google contracts to the NSA.
  - dredmorbius 14y ago
    The only part of this I take exception to is "if you really require references then you haven't been paying attention". I have been paying attention ... to some of what's going on. I'm aware of certain specific cases of domestic espionage through telecoms and tech. However, providing concrete references always beats roaming the streets with a tinfoil hat on your head declaring "They're watching! The rays!". NB: if I take a covert photo of a guy wearing a tinfoil hat, does that make me The Man?
  - Karunamon 14y ago
    "NSA back-door" >This article describes technical best practices to help achieve compliance with U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) security requirements for equipment used in military installations.
    - samstave 14y ago
      Yes, I know what the content is. My point with showing that particular article is that cisco is not ignorant of securing to NSA's requirements - they have been working directly with them for years. There are other MISO (psyop) groups embedded with all manners of information exchange. The Intelligence arm has people in all media outlets. This was revealed multiple times in the last 12 years as we found out that handlers from intel ops were approving stories in the MSM. This is NOT tinfoil folks - this is the farking reality.
      - Karunamon 14y ago
        >Yes, I know what the content is. Then please point out this supposed "Back door" functionality. Should be simple.
        Karunamon 14y ago
        Someone parrots an unsourced tinfoil-esque screed, and backs it up with a citation that doesn't prove anything, and I'm the one getting downvoted. WTF, guys?

WestCoastJustin 14y ago

I remember reading somewhere about the "google aurora hack" that the hackers were able to access gmails built-in backroom and were monitoring email accounts. I cannot find the link right now but here are a couple for google and facebook. Google: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/ http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/userdatarequests/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/ http://www.facebook.com/safety/groups/law/guidelines/

runn1ng 14y ago
When I tried to find more about this once, I found out that all "sources" were basically Bruce Schneier opinion pieces.

acqq 14y ago

Somebody here already mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A It helps to imagine the scale of it if that existed for Google and Facebook.

joering2 14y ago
the Wikipedia article on this changed over the years (not looking for conspiracy theory here). About 2 years ago the lawsuit section was more detailed. It said something similar in logic to this article's title; the defendant replied that no room of such nature exists, BUT this lawsuit should be thrown out of the court because of National Security :)

runjake 14y ago

Some good places to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shadow_Factory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency#Domestic_activity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency#Domest...

mkopinsky 14y ago

http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/ http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatic...