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You are clearly trolling as this has been beaten to death. But for the sake of other readers, getting COVID has a far higher chance of clots than the vaccines.

by tensor 2y ago

You are clearly trolling as this has been beaten to death. But for the sake of other readers, getting COVID has a far higher chance of clots than the vaccines. Also, the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. So again, the big picture is extremely clear. Thankfully the right choices were made for society.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
You're not wrong. Vaccines in general have a favorable risk/benefit ratio. The problem is I frequently see people on social media claiming that vaccines have zero risks and contraindications and that they do prevent transmission. I've seen governments saying that. This is the sort of disinformation that creates and spreads anti-vaccination ideas. All it takes is for someone to get skeptical and look it up. They will feel betrayed by the so called "authorities" and will never trust them again. It's even worse when said "authorities" want to vaccinate people forcefully as a matter of public policy. People don't enjoy having their autonomy disrespected. Especially comical are the governments that censor people for posting "fake news" only to end up spreading vaccine disinformation, and when it's pointed out they double down on those claims and do everything they can to coerce people into getting them.
miles 2y ago
> the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated?
- tensor 2y ago
  To stop people dying. Which they did and continue to do.
  - miles 2y ago
    >> Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated? > To stop people dying. Then why should it be forced on an unwilling recipient? Any more than we'd force someone (on pain of losing their livelihood or worse) to give up unhealthy eating habits, unsafe activities, etc.?

by tensor 2y ago

matheusmoreira 2y ago

You're not wrong. Vaccines in general have a favorable risk/benefit ratio. The problem is I frequently see people on social media claiming that vaccines have zero risks and contraindications and that they do prevent transmission. I've seen governments saying that. This is the sort of disinformation that creates and spreads anti-vaccination ideas. All it takes is for someone to get skeptical and look it up. They will feel betrayed by the so called "authorities" and will never trust them again. It's even worse when said "authorities" want to vaccinate people forcefully as a matter of public policy. People don't enjoy having their autonomy disrespected. Especially comical are the governments that censor people for posting "fake news" only to end up spreading vaccine disinformation, and when it's pointed out they double down on those claims and do everything they can to coerce people into getting them.

miles 2y ago

> the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated?

tensor 2y ago
To stop people dying. Which they did and continue to do.
- miles 2y ago
  >> Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated? > To stop people dying. Then why should it be forced on an unwilling recipient? Any more than we'd force someone (on pain of losing their livelihood or worse) to give up unhealthy eating habits, unsafe activities, etc.?