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> there is virtually no evidence of the harms the first group claims to want to avoid There is not only evidence of harm: The Link Between J&J’s COVID Vaccine

by miles 2y ago

> there is virtually no evidence of the harms the first group claims to want to avoid There is not only evidence of harm: The Link Between J&J’s COVID Vaccine and Blood Clots: What You Need to Know https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clots https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/coronavirus-vaccine-blood-... Scientists discover 'smoking gun' link between AstraZeneca vaccine and lethal blood clots https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/02/scientists-discover-smoking-gun-link-astrazeneca-lethal-blood/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/12/02/scientists-disco... New Zealand links 26-year-old man's death to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-links-26-year-old-mans-death-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-2021-12-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-links... but also lack of efficacy in stopping the spread: Coronavirus outbreak sidelines ship whose crew is fully immunized, Navy says https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/12/24/uss-milwaukee-covid-outbreak/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/12/24/... Covid cases hit records in South Korea and Singapore despite widespread vaccinations https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-records-in-south-korea-and-singapore-despite-widespread-vaccinations.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/world/covid-cases-hit-rec... COVID Cases Are Surging in the Five Most Vaccinated States https://www.newsweek.com/covid-cases-are-surging-five-most-vaccinated-states-1653298 https://www.newsweek.com/covid-cases-are-surging-five-most-v...

tensor 2y ago
You are clearly trolling as this has been beaten to death. But for the sake of other readers, getting COVID has a far higher chance of clots than the vaccines. Also, the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. So again, the big picture is extremely clear. Thankfully the right choices were made for society.
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  You're not wrong. Vaccines in general have a favorable risk/benefit ratio. The problem is I frequently see people on social media claiming that vaccines have zero risks and contraindications and that they do prevent transmission. I've seen governments saying that. This is the sort of disinformation that creates and spreads anti-vaccination ideas. All it takes is for someone to get skeptical and look it up. They will feel betrayed by the so called "authorities" and will never trust them again. It's even worse when said "authorities" want to vaccinate people forcefully as a matter of public policy. People don't enjoy having their autonomy disrespected. Especially comical are the governments that censor people for posting "fake news" only to end up spreading vaccine disinformation, and when it's pointed out they double down on those claims and do everything they can to coerce people into getting them.
- miles 2y ago
  > the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated?
  - tensor 2y ago
    To stop people dying. Which they did and continue to do.
    - miles 2y ago
      >> Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated? > To stop people dying. Then why should it be forced on an unwilling recipient? Any more than we'd force someone (on pain of losing their livelihood or worse) to give up unhealthy eating habits, unsafe activities, etc.?
6510 2y ago
And a vague line between what counts as covid or vaccine death and what doesn't. Specially old people may have a lot of different things simultaneously.

by miles 2y ago

tensor 2y ago

You are clearly trolling as this has been beaten to death. But for the sake of other readers, getting COVID has a far higher chance of clots than the vaccines. Also, the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. So again, the big picture is extremely clear. Thankfully the right choices were made for society.

matheusmoreira 2y ago
You're not wrong. Vaccines in general have a favorable risk/benefit ratio. The problem is I frequently see people on social media claiming that vaccines have zero risks and contraindications and that they do prevent transmission. I've seen governments saying that. This is the sort of disinformation that creates and spreads anti-vaccination ideas. All it takes is for someone to get skeptical and look it up. They will feel betrayed by the so called "authorities" and will never trust them again. It's even worse when said "authorities" want to vaccinate people forcefully as a matter of public policy. People don't enjoy having their autonomy disrespected. Especially comical are the governments that censor people for posting "fake news" only to end up spreading vaccine disinformation, and when it's pointed out they double down on those claims and do everything they can to coerce people into getting them.
miles 2y ago
> the vaccines significantly reduced the chance of death, even if they ultimately couldn’t stop the spread. Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated?
- tensor 2y ago
  To stop people dying. Which they did and continue to do.
  - miles 2y ago
    >> Since you admit they couldn't stop the spread, why should the vaccines be mandated? > To stop people dying. Then why should it be forced on an unwilling recipient? Any more than we'd force someone (on pain of losing their livelihood or worse) to give up unhealthy eating habits, unsafe activities, etc.?

6510 2y ago

And a vague line between what counts as covid or vaccine death and what doesn't. Specially old people may have a lot of different things simultaneously.