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I seriously doubt this is the mistake of $9/hr workers. Those workers are unlikely to be familiar with the whole picture and would probably just have requiremen

by _cenw 2y ago

I seriously doubt this is the mistake of $9/hr workers. Those workers are unlikely to be familiar with the whole picture and would probably just have requirements delivered to them. This is not a case of badly written code, the code didn't crash. It just didn't fit the requirements, likely because those requirements weren't known, because someone I'd wager working directly at Boeing getting a industry-typical salary didn't deliver them.

gnfargbl 2y ago
Part of good engineering is having a solid understanding of your business domain and being able to spot things that just don't smell right. An experienced professional software engineer on an industry standard salary, having been provided with nonsensical or missing requirements, should know when to impute and when to raise an exception. I'm not at all confident that a $9/hr engineer will do that.
- _cenw 2y ago
  Well, we don't know if they did. We do know that Boeing employees (including one of the whistleblowers) have attempted to raise such issues internally for a long time, but mostly went ignored, moved to a department where they can't complain, or fired. So purely on the power differential, a $9 engineer wouldn't make a stink. Says nothing about their work ethic or ability to see disaster (at least upon integrating code, probably not literal disaster) coming. And also, how would they have known they're just using one AOA input, and a component above them isn't already delivering a value that's known good - these are not the kind of engineers that'd know that.
- smeej 2y ago
  I'm not at all confident that a $9/hr engineer can do that. You don't hire somebody for a price like that because you intend to listen to their feedback and treat them like a valued member of the team. You hire somebody for a price like that because your LLM hasn't quite reached the level you want yet...or frankly costs more to run.
igortg 2y ago
Exactly. Seems just a bait article from someone who doesn't know shit about what happened (similar to Dave Farley video blaming the Cyberpunk launch fiasco on the lack of CI/CD).

by _cenw 2y ago

gnfargbl 2y ago

Part of good engineering is having a solid understanding of your business domain and being able to spot things that just don't smell right. An experienced professional software engineer on an industry standard salary, having been provided with nonsensical or missing requirements, should know when to impute and when to raise an exception. I'm not at all confident that a $9/hr engineer will do that.

_cenw 2y ago
Well, we don't know if they did. We do know that Boeing employees (including one of the whistleblowers) have attempted to raise such issues internally for a long time, but mostly went ignored, moved to a department where they can't complain, or fired. So purely on the power differential, a $9 engineer wouldn't make a stink. Says nothing about their work ethic or ability to see disaster (at least upon integrating code, probably not literal disaster) coming. And also, how would they have known they're just using one AOA input, and a component above them isn't already delivering a value that's known good - these are not the kind of engineers that'd know that.
smeej 2y ago
I'm not at all confident that a $9/hr engineer can do that. You don't hire somebody for a price like that because you intend to listen to their feedback and treat them like a valued member of the team. You hire somebody for a price like that because your LLM hasn't quite reached the level you want yet...or frankly costs more to run.

igortg 2y ago

Exactly. Seems just a bait article from someone who doesn't know shit about what happened (similar to Dave Farley video blaming the Cyberpunk launch fiasco on the lack of CI/CD).