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Let's have a look at France's emissions : https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/france https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/france Somehow, from 1973 they
by sien 2y ago
Let's have a look at France's emissions :
https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/france https://ourworldindata.org/co2/country/france
Somehow, from 1973 they went from 10t C02 per capita to 4.8 t per capita in 2022.
Their GDP at the same went from 264 Bn to ~2779 Bn
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/FRA/france/gdp-gross-domestic-product https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/FRA/fra...
Whatever mysterious method of C02 reduction they used should be investigated.
- dmagee 2y agoNuclear power.
- dmagee 2y agohttps://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/france#how-much-electricity-does-the-country-generate-each-year https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/france#how-much-el...
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoOne of the interesting things demonstrated there is that you really don't want to be generating most of your electricity from imported oil during a global oil shock.
- ahartmetz 2y agoCan't be everything. Electrical power is like 20-35% or so of total power used in most countries. I just checked some statistics of the Umweltbundesamt, the German ~environment protection office. The electrical fraction is suprisingly low! Though it's supposed to increase because most renewable energy production is electric. My guess is nuclear energy, more efficient cars, better insulated houses, and less heavy industry.
- avar 2y agoYou have the cause and effect backwards. German homes are electric heated at a rate of around 5%[1], French at around 30%[2] (page 7). As electricity prices are lowered (e.g. by state investment in nuclear) various things that use fossil fuels will shift over to electric. 1. https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/heating-40-million-homes-hurdles-phasing-out-fossil-fuels-german-basements https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/heating-40-millio... 2. https://heatpumpingtechnologies.org/annex46/wp-content/uploads/sites/53/2020/10/hpt-an46-02-03-task-1-counry-report-france.pdf https://heatpumpingtechnologies.org/annex46/wp-content/uploa... 3. https://strom-report.com/electricity-prices-europe/ https://strom-report.com/electricity-prices-europe/
- AtlasBarfed 2y agoIf you have a price competitive modular rapidly approved and scaled meltdown proof plant design that can be built in a couple years. Unfortunately, that does not exist in nuclear power. As in, not a single one of those requirements is fulfilled by any commercial design.
- drdrey 2y ago> These figures reflect ‘production-based’ emissions, so do not correct for traded goods. moving manufacturing overseas
- DaanDL 2y agoThis^^^ I'm tired of: "The EU doesn't emit as much as China does". Let's account for all the garbage we let China produce and then look at the numbers again.
- AtlasBarfed 2y agoThe great enemy of supply side environment regulation is simple arbitrage with overseas manufacturing to the lowest common denominator of controls Which sadly is usually absolutely no controls
- ericmcer 2y agoEveryone knows how environmentally friendly shipping everything 8000 miles is. Climate policy just makes stuff nicer for people who live in rich countries because the pollution is further away from their personal bubble.
- throw0101d 2y ago> moving manufacturing overseas At least per the available data from 1990, France has lowered its consumption-based CO₂ emissions in absolute terms: * https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-emissions?tab=chart&country=~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-emissions... And given the population has also risen since 1990: * https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population?time=1990..latest&country=~FRA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/population?time=1990..lat... even if total emissions had stayed the same, per capita numbers would have gone down. The same if often said of the US, and it is not true either: * https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/no-the-us-didnt-outsource-our-carbon https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/no-the-us-didnt-outsource-our-...
- paretoer 2y ago
- thinkcontext 2y agoToo bad neither Europe nor the US seems capable of building reactors at reasonable cost. Even China which is building reactors the fastest is only projected to have nuclear account for single digit percentages of its electric consumption for decades.
- _Microft 2y agoWasn’t there news not long ago that China has been building solar power (peak capacity) with an equivalent power of five nuclear power plants per week? Even accounting for much lower cumulative output, this is far more than they have in the pipeline for nuclear power.
- adrianN 2y agoMost countries investing in nuclear do so in part to fund a domestic nuclear industry so that they can at least partly privatize the cost of a nuclear arms program. Nuclear is too expensive to be competitive without governmental support.
- obscurette 2y agoChina is building whatever energy sources it can. In amount it can. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-six-times-more-new-coal-plants-than-other-countries-report-fin https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-...
- adrianN 2y agoGermany saved approximately the same 5t/year/capita since then. It went from 14t in the late seventies to about 8t today. Carbon/GDP is pretty much the same for both countries since the mid 90s.
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoIf you add UK, Germany and Denmark to the graph, they all look broadly similar, so I'm guessing "EU style regulations".
- engineer_22 2y agoNukes