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Ok , but what do you think about the UN and Carter Center also publishing that the results published by the government are false ? What do you think about the

by rbont 2y ago

Ok , but what do you think about the UN and Carter Center also publishing that the results published by the government are false ? What do you think about the fact that results by state, county or voting center have not been published after 3 weeks when for every past election they were published by next day ?

cma 2y ago
I can easily believe the results published by the Venezuelan government are false. For the counting stuff I don't know, there have been misleading things with that in the past like in Bolivia where it was just due to the order the results were reported being biased towards one side so it seemed like a dramatic change suddenly happened but didn't really (like in the US 2020 election as well). Weeks seems more extreme and less likely to be something like that though.
culi 2y ago
The Carter Center never claimed the results were fake. That would be a massive claim. They criticized "short deadlines, relatively few places of registration, and minimal public information", barriers to citizens abroad voting (which skew very heavily anti-Maduro), and "unequal conditions among candidates" (Maduro was much better funded than the opposition). It sums up with: > In the limited number of polling centers they visited, Carter Center observer teams noted the desire of the Venezuelan people to participate in a democratic election process, as demonstrated through their active participation as polling staff, party witnesses, and citizen observers. However, their efforts were undermined by the CNE's complete lack of transparency in announcing the results. I would also check out the UN's July 28 report on the matter: https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Interim_Report_PoE_Venezuela_090824.pdf https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/file...
- rbont 2y ago
  UN Human rights council from today We warn about the lack of independence and impartiality of supreme court and national electoral council https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919 https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919 the judge deciding if the election was good is a member of the ruling party and ran for local offices under PSUV ALSO The Carter Center: "The records confirm that Edmundo Gonzalez obtained 70% of the votes https://confidencial.digital/english/the-carter-center-the-records-confirm-that-edmundo-gonzalez-obtained-70-of-the-votes/ https://confidencial.digital/english/the-carter-center-the-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soaQUkfUVvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soaQUkfUVvc Min 3:30 you can hear them saying it (in Spanish)
  - cma 2y ago
    >The Carter Center: "The records confirm that Edmundo Gonzalez obtained 70% of the votes They don't say exactly what that headline says. They say is with an 81.7% selection of the total voting records, they agree with an analysis that shows he reached nearly 70% of the vote: > We reviewed 24,533 tally sheets (collected by opposition witnesses) with 81.7% (of the total voting records), and we agree with the analysis of these records that show that Edmundo González won with nearly 70%, by a 2 to 1 margin Presumably that's adjusting and extrapolating for the missing data (if it was urban vs rural, etc.)? If it wasn't e.g. already adjusted up from that data to it would definitely be a majority though.

by rbont 2y ago

cma 2y ago

I can easily believe the results published by the Venezuelan government are false. For the counting stuff I don't know, there have been misleading things with that in the past like in Bolivia where it was just due to the order the results were reported being biased towards one side so it seemed like a dramatic change suddenly happened but didn't really (like in the US 2020 election as well). Weeks seems more extreme and less likely to be something like that though.

culi 2y ago

The Carter Center never claimed the results were fake. That would be a massive claim. They criticized "short deadlines, relatively few places of registration, and minimal public information", barriers to citizens abroad voting (which skew very heavily anti-Maduro), and "unequal conditions among candidates" (Maduro was much better funded than the opposition). It sums up with: > In the limited number of polling centers they visited, Carter Center observer teams noted the desire of the Venezuelan people to participate in a democratic election process, as demonstrated through their active participation as polling staff, party witnesses, and citizen observers. However, their efforts were undermined by the CNE's complete lack of transparency in announcing the results. I would also check out the UN's July 28 report on the matter: https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/files/Interim_Report_PoE_Venezuela_090824.pdf https://news.un.org/en/sites/news.un.org.en/files/atoms/file...

rbont 2y ago
UN Human rights council from today We warn about the lack of independence and impartiality of supreme court and national electoral council https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919 https://x.com/UN_HRC/status/1826624015097888919 the judge deciding if the election was good is a member of the ruling party and ran for local offices under PSUV ALSO The Carter Center: "The records confirm that Edmundo Gonzalez obtained 70% of the votes https://confidencial.digital/english/the-carter-center-the-records-confirm-that-edmundo-gonzalez-obtained-70-of-the-votes/ https://confidencial.digital/english/the-carter-center-the-r... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soaQUkfUVvc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soaQUkfUVvc Min 3:30 you can hear them saying it (in Spanish)
- cma 2y ago
  >The Carter Center: "The records confirm that Edmundo Gonzalez obtained 70% of the votes They don't say exactly what that headline says. They say is with an 81.7% selection of the total voting records, they agree with an analysis that shows he reached nearly 70% of the vote: > We reviewed 24,533 tally sheets (collected by opposition witnesses) with 81.7% (of the total voting records), and we agree with the analysis of these records that show that Edmundo González won with nearly 70%, by a 2 to 1 margin Presumably that's adjusting and extrapolating for the missing data (if it was urban vs rural, etc.)? If it wasn't e.g. already adjusted up from that data to it would definitely be a majority though.