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Is there a name for the phenomena encountered with this particular response? Specifically, I’m talking about when discussing extremely complex systems, ones th

Is there a name for the phenomena encountered with this particular response? Specifically, I’m talking about when discussing extremely complex systems, ones that we don’t have full understanding of, there’s this tendency to ignore the huge gaps in our knowledge and deny that individuals can know anything objectively about how their body responds to things, even though science has no explanation for it…

AndrewKemendo 2y ago
This is a curious statement >ignore the huge gaps in our knowledge and deny that individuals can know anything objectively about how their body responds to things, even though science has no explanation for it You’re claiming that There are “huge gaps in our knowledge” And that (some group) denies that “individuals can know anything objectively about how their body responds to things” Implying that the latter satisfies the first This is precisely what I’m asking about You’re suggesting that a less specific and less measurable vague notion is more predictive than the current state of the art in measuring bodily On what evidence do you rest such a claim?
- jtbayly 2y ago
  I rest it on my own personal experience and that of many others, which you don’t seem to accept. Nevertheless, here is just one example of what I’m talking about. I spent over a year with daily terrible headaches. I suspected they were related to my thyroid medication not being correctly dosed, as they started immediately after a new bottle of medication arrived, and closely resembled headaches I had had related to dosing issues in the past. The measurements and latest “scientific" knowledge said my dose was fine, so various doctors had me try all kinds of different things. I even tried a chiropractor. (I’m not a fan of them in general. Mostly crazy kooks in my experience.) I finally found a doctor that suggested my dosing was wrong, changed my prescription, and the headaches went away immediately. This doctor (and many others), based on the experience of many thousands of patients’ experiences, believes the current scientific consensus on thyroid hormone dosing is wrong. And everybody knows there is a huge gap in our knowledge around hormones in general. So there you have it. I could give other examples, but they would be second hand, rather than first. Oh, and then a year after I finally got this solved, I got a letter in the mail that the batch of medication I had received at the start of this all was being recalled... for being wrongly dosed.

AndrewKemendo 2y ago

This is a curious statement >ignore the huge gaps in our knowledge and deny that individuals can know anything objectively about how their body responds to things, even though science has no explanation for it You’re claiming that There are “huge gaps in our knowledge” And that (some group) denies that “individuals can know anything objectively about how their body responds to things” Implying that the latter satisfies the first This is precisely what I’m asking about You’re suggesting that a less specific and less measurable vague notion is more predictive than the current state of the art in measuring bodily On what evidence do you rest such a claim?

jtbayly 2y ago
I rest it on my own personal experience and that of many others, which you don’t seem to accept. Nevertheless, here is just one example of what I’m talking about. I spent over a year with daily terrible headaches. I suspected they were related to my thyroid medication not being correctly dosed, as they started immediately after a new bottle of medication arrived, and closely resembled headaches I had had related to dosing issues in the past. The measurements and latest “scientific" knowledge said my dose was fine, so various doctors had me try all kinds of different things. I even tried a chiropractor. (I’m not a fan of them in general. Mostly crazy kooks in my experience.) I finally found a doctor that suggested my dosing was wrong, changed my prescription, and the headaches went away immediately. This doctor (and many others), based on the experience of many thousands of patients’ experiences, believes the current scientific consensus on thyroid hormone dosing is wrong. And everybody knows there is a huge gap in our knowledge around hormones in general. So there you have it. I could give other examples, but they would be second hand, rather than first. Oh, and then a year after I finally got this solved, I got a letter in the mail that the batch of medication I had received at the start of this all was being recalled... for being wrongly dosed.