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I get the sentiment, but also, for many the work place is a socialization hub. And what OP argue about is a direct consequence of that: small talks, serendipit

I get the sentiment, but also, for many the work place is a socialization hub. And what OP argue about is a direct consequence of that: small talks, serendipity, politness rules, etc. If you want raw efficiency, the article makes sense. However, in most orgs, that's not what most workers want.

intended 2y ago
The Article is about remote work, which dodges this issue.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  It doesn't, chat and mails actually become way more socially important in remote.
meowface 2y ago
Small talk is fine, but when someone isn't willfully trying to engage in small talk and just is walking through a ritual to ask me a question, it seems better to skip the ritual and get to the point. Instead of "Hi [name]", them waiting for me to reply, me waiting for them to reply, and them sending their question, they could write "Hi [name], [question]" in their initial message. There are no disadvantages to this and plenty of advantages.
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  I agree but stating isn't going to change the culture of corporations or even countries.
prmoustache 2y ago
> I get the sentiment, but also, for many the work place is a socialization hub. > And what OP argue about is a direct consequence of that: small talks, serendipity, politness rules, etc. You can do that while following the same rules of politeness and small talks. For instance I had a colleague who used to put "Hi" or "Good morning" messages several times a day on my teams chat. He could be as polite saying and include small talk in a single message: " Good morning prmoustache, do you have some time to help me on project BLABLABLA, I need assistance regarding setup of FOO in a BAR context. Mr John Doe told me you had experience with that. Here are the errors I get. <some snippet> If you have some time now we can maybe do a quick call, otherwise can I schedule some time? By the way, how is the weather in Spain today? Did you enjoy some nice time on the beach with your daughters? " This is polite, include all the info I would need, some small talk, would give me an idea on how much time I might need to dedicate to that to give assistance, if I have to check some info in my note/wiki/whatever and either decide to stop what I am doing now and help him immediately or ask him to schedule a meeting later during the day or week. And maybe I have the exact solution and I can point him a link that will help him directly. People who usually don't go straight to the point either do it: - for cultural reasons - by ignorance on how to work effectively with remote worker - or because they want to brute force their way into you. - a combination of all 3
- BiteCode_dev 2y ago
  Yes, but that doesn't change the problem.

intended 2y ago

The Article is about remote work, which dodges this issue.

BiteCode_dev 2y ago
It doesn't, chat and mails actually become way more socially important in remote.

meowface 2y ago

Small talk is fine, but when someone isn't willfully trying to engage in small talk and just is walking through a ritual to ask me a question, it seems better to skip the ritual and get to the point. Instead of "Hi [name]", them waiting for me to reply, me waiting for them to reply, and them sending their question, they could write "Hi [name], [question]" in their initial message. There are no disadvantages to this and plenty of advantages.

BiteCode_dev 2y ago
I agree but stating isn't going to change the culture of corporations or even countries.

prmoustache 2y ago

> I get the sentiment, but also, for many the work place is a socialization hub. > And what OP argue about is a direct consequence of that: small talks, serendipity, politness rules, etc. You can do that while following the same rules of politeness and small talks. For instance I had a colleague who used to put "Hi" or "Good morning" messages several times a day on my teams chat. He could be as polite saying and include small talk in a single message: " Good morning prmoustache, do you have some time to help me on project BLABLABLA, I need assistance regarding setup of FOO in a BAR context. Mr John Doe told me you had experience with that. Here are the errors I get. <some snippet> If you have some time now we can maybe do a quick call, otherwise can I schedule some time? By the way, how is the weather in Spain today? Did you enjoy some nice time on the beach with your daughters? " This is polite, include all the info I would need, some small talk, would give me an idea on how much time I might need to dedicate to that to give assistance, if I have to check some info in my note/wiki/whatever and either decide to stop what I am doing now and help him immediately or ask him to schedule a meeting later during the day or week. And maybe I have the exact solution and I can point him a link that will help him directly. People who usually don't go straight to the point either do it: - for cultural reasons - by ignorance on how to work effectively with remote worker - or because they want to brute force their way into you. - a combination of all 3

BiteCode_dev 2y ago
Yes, but that doesn't change the problem.