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Your problem is you are seeing this behavior as inherently about point scoring. Stop it. And please don't make this about ESL struggles, it's disingenuous to ma

Your problem is you are seeing this behavior as inherently about point scoring. Stop it. And please don't make this about ESL struggles, it's disingenuous to make this about that. If you see someone performatively policing language feel free to call them out on it. Unless I missed something though I don't think anyone is asking you to pull a shift as a language cop, or otherwise 'dock points'.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago
> And please don't make this about ESL struggles, it's disingenuous to make this about that. Can you explain why this struck you as disingenuous? ESL struggles are a daily concern for me and the people I know. As for being a language cop, I have no interest in doing so; I'm more concerned about the people who find themselves on the receiving side of feeling policed. When I say "that doesn't strike me as a reason to dock any points" I'm talking about my ideal that everyone will behave in a non-language-policing way. In order to avoid sounding lecturing or critical, I often refer to myself when expressing how I hope other people will behave too. ("When crossing the street, you should look both ways" --> "When crossing the street, I should look both ways"). It seems you interpreted it rather differently than I meant, which just goes to show again how clear communication is already hard for all of us.
- burnished 2y ago
  >> Can you explain why this struck you as disingenuous Certainly! In essence because shifting euphemisms are a drop in the bucket of learning a language, the challenge is already present because words are always shifting in meaning (do you remember when 'figuratively' and 'literally' swapped?) and in my experience people give a lot of grace to non-native speakers. This made it feel like concern trolling to me. As for your other point I believe I understood you, but in the absence of a specific example of language policing to analyze I think I should let it drop.
nobody9999 2y ago
>If you see someone performatively policing language feel free to call them out on it. Okay. Stop policing[0] the language of others! Is that about right? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41318158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41318158
- burnished 2y ago
  lol I'm very clearly not policing anyone's language there. Did you mean to link a different comment?
  - nobody9999 2y ago
    You are exactly who and what others perceive you to be, as far as those others are concerned. It's a useful lesson, once learned. Edit: Fixed punctuation.

mitthrowaway2 2y ago

> And please don't make this about ESL struggles, it's disingenuous to make this about that. Can you explain why this struck you as disingenuous? ESL struggles are a daily concern for me and the people I know. As for being a language cop, I have no interest in doing so; I'm more concerned about the people who find themselves on the receiving side of feeling policed. When I say "that doesn't strike me as a reason to dock any points" I'm talking about my ideal that everyone will behave in a non-language-policing way. In order to avoid sounding lecturing or critical, I often refer to myself when expressing how I hope other people will behave too. ("When crossing the street, you should look both ways" --> "When crossing the street, I should look both ways"). It seems you interpreted it rather differently than I meant, which just goes to show again how clear communication is already hard for all of us.

burnished 2y ago
>> Can you explain why this struck you as disingenuous Certainly! In essence because shifting euphemisms are a drop in the bucket of learning a language, the challenge is already present because words are always shifting in meaning (do you remember when 'figuratively' and 'literally' swapped?) and in my experience people give a lot of grace to non-native speakers. This made it feel like concern trolling to me. As for your other point I believe I understood you, but in the absence of a specific example of language policing to analyze I think I should let it drop.

nobody9999 2y ago

>If you see someone performatively policing language feel free to call them out on it. Okay. Stop policing[0] the language of others! Is that about right? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41318158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41318158

burnished 2y ago
lol I'm very clearly not policing anyone's language there. Did you mean to link a different comment?
- nobody9999 2y ago
  You are exactly who and what others perceive you to be, as far as those others are concerned. It's a useful lesson, once learned. Edit: Fixed punctuation.