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From the CEO's comments on reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_about_private_attribution_in_firefox/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firef

From the CEO's comments on reddit (https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_about_private_attribution_in_firefox/ https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/1e43w7v/a_word_abo...): > we support people configuring their browser however they choose I rate this one as half true. If you leave firefox for a while and come back, it displays a bar with text like "Would you like to refresh your experience?" The first time I clicked that, it uninstalled my adblock extension. Not making that mistake again.

mccr8 2y ago
That's the CTO, not the CEO.
bravetraveler 2y ago
That offer to refresh always seemed a bit strange to me. It's like Microsoft acknowledging the crust in the registry and offering their own CCleaner. A lot of activity, dubious work actually being done. Perhaps the effect of profile lifecycles should be addressed if some hand-wavy refresh process may be required and instituted by the application. Said another way, that's a concern for the program. Not me. This shouldn't amount to wiping the profile/extensions
- takluyver 2y ago
  I think there's been some concern that people compare the speed of Firefox with a bunch of random extensions against Chrome with none. I wonder if the 'refresh' is an attempt to get away from that at the point where someone might be giving Firefox another chance. I don't remember if the refresh offer appeared back in the xul days, when there was much more scope for extensions to hurt the experience.
  - bjord 2y ago
    it is—it uninstalls all of your bloat the suggestion that its purpose is to trick people into uninstalling their adblocker is a ridiculous one
    - pixxel 2y ago
      “bloat” Adblockers aren’t bloat; they make the web faster and more secure. “ridiculous” Mozilla’s paymasters are an advertising company.
      - bjord 2y ago
        that seems to me like a bad faith interpretation of what I wrote—I'm using "bloat" to mean all additional changes beyond the vanilla ff installation re: "ridiculous", do you think it's likely that there's a deep conspiracy within mozilla (at the behest of google) to make users watch ads? or were you hoping that they'd write a whitelist of adblockers that should never be removed, even when wiping the browser?
  - red_admiral 2y ago
    I would agree in general, but arguably uninstalling ublock makes the web much slower.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    By far the biggest hog of resources for me is Dark Reader. I don’t think any other extension even comes close. I still use it though because adding 300ms to a page load to me doesn’t phase me.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    I only mention this because the effect of those things could be more effectively curtailed... if the users weren't encouraged to hide the shortcomings from the application. Sweeping things under the rug, you know? A browser should have history, data, and extensions. Getting rid of those things doesn't qualify as a fix. It's a diagnostic step!
93po 2y ago
that's a really disappointing dark pattern from mozilla
EasyMark 2y ago
I think if you a refresh it does flush all your add-ons, no? Unless you have sync turned on you’ll have fun reinstalling them again and setting them up to your liking, and that is pain for someone like me who has 11 of them. Even with sync you still lose settings if they aren’t “sync aware”
phendrenad2 2y ago
That was the moment I uninstalled FF and never went back. Truly icky behavior.

mccr8 2y ago

That's the CTO, not the CEO.

bravetraveler 2y ago

That offer to refresh always seemed a bit strange to me. It's like Microsoft acknowledging the crust in the registry and offering their own CCleaner. A lot of activity, dubious work actually being done. Perhaps the effect of profile lifecycles should be addressed if some hand-wavy refresh process may be required and instituted by the application. Said another way, that's a concern for the program. Not me. This shouldn't amount to wiping the profile/extensions

takluyver 2y ago
I think there's been some concern that people compare the speed of Firefox with a bunch of random extensions against Chrome with none. I wonder if the 'refresh' is an attempt to get away from that at the point where someone might be giving Firefox another chance. I don't remember if the refresh offer appeared back in the xul days, when there was much more scope for extensions to hurt the experience.
- bjord 2y ago
  it is—it uninstalls all of your bloat the suggestion that its purpose is to trick people into uninstalling their adblocker is a ridiculous one
  - pixxel 2y ago
    “bloat” Adblockers aren’t bloat; they make the web faster and more secure. “ridiculous” Mozilla’s paymasters are an advertising company.
    - bjord 2y ago
      that seems to me like a bad faith interpretation of what I wrote—I'm using "bloat" to mean all additional changes beyond the vanilla ff installation re: "ridiculous", do you think it's likely that there's a deep conspiracy within mozilla (at the behest of google) to make users watch ads? or were you hoping that they'd write a whitelist of adblockers that should never be removed, even when wiping the browser?
- red_admiral 2y ago
  I would agree in general, but arguably uninstalling ublock makes the web much slower.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  By far the biggest hog of resources for me is Dark Reader. I don’t think any other extension even comes close. I still use it though because adding 300ms to a page load to me doesn’t phase me.
- deleted 2y ago
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- bravetraveler 2y ago
  I only mention this because the effect of those things could be more effectively curtailed... if the users weren't encouraged to hide the shortcomings from the application. Sweeping things under the rug, you know? A browser should have history, data, and extensions. Getting rid of those things doesn't qualify as a fix. It's a diagnostic step!

93po 2y ago

that's a really disappointing dark pattern from mozilla

EasyMark 2y ago

I think if you a refresh it does flush all your add-ons, no? Unless you have sync turned on you’ll have fun reinstalling them again and setting them up to your liking, and that is pain for someone like me who has 11 of them. Even with sync you still lose settings if they aren’t “sync aware”

phendrenad2 2y ago

That was the moment I uninstalled FF and never went back. Truly icky behavior.