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I just want to use a robust, secure and decently fast browser that uses a different backend than Chrome to support the open web not ossifying into a single brow

by SCdF 2y ago

I just want to use a robust, secure and decently fast browser that uses a different backend than Chrome to support the open web not ossifying into a single browser spec. I'll pay monthly! Please just let me pay for this in money and not my privacy :-(

trustno2 2y ago
There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux (there must be some...) GNOME Web/Epiphany (same thing) seems to use WebKit and is officially supported https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ It seems there is no WebKit browser for Windows.
- sulandor 2y ago
  > There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux webkit was forked from the kde browser, not the other way.
  - trustno2 2y ago
    So? Epiphany is based on WebKit now, KDE Browser doesn't exist anymore. (I needed to check it first.)
    - graemep 2y ago
      Its called Konqueror, and exists, but it uses a webkit fork now! Webkit was forked from KHTML which has been discontinued.
      - sulandor 2y ago
        i guess we are both right. thx for the clarification
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  No good adblocking for safari like in firefox though
  - layer8 2y ago
    Extensions like AdGuard and Ghostery are pretty good.
    - akho 2y ago
      Ghostery is an ad company, just as Anonym.
      - layer8 2y ago
        Please elaborate. See also the FAQ regarding data collection: https://www.ghostery.com/faq https://www.ghostery.com/faq
        akho 2y ago
        Under its past owner Evidon, their business model was based on selling data to advertisers. Starting 2018, they showed personalized ads by themselves, through the GhosteryRewards program. I think that has since been terminated, but it would comply with the FAQ you posted (they claimed that personalization was purely on-device). I don’t know of any current offending practices, but there is no reason to trust or support this enterprise in the presence of better alternatives. uBlock Origin never did any of that, avoids all shadow of conflict of interest, and works better.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      Coming from a ublock origin perspective, I’m not so sure
  - einsteinx2 2y ago
    AdGuard works perfectly fine in Safari on Mac and iOS
grishka 2y ago
There's Ladybird. https://ladybird.org https://ladybird.org
- bjord 2y ago
  looking forward to ten years from now, when it meets those requirements
freediver 2y ago
If you use macOS/iOS, there is Orion. Webkit based, zero telemetry, lifetime license $150 USD, no other source of funding. https://kagi.com/orion https://kagi.com/orion
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  With a price like that I’m assuming this product has a shelf life. It would make way more sense to ask a dollar a month. In 13 years they will have made more than that $150, and this model also incentivizes them to keep up development for years and years.
  - 93po 2y ago
    for a fledgling project, $150 today is worth 10,000x $150 in 13 years.
    - kjkjadksj 2y ago
      Depends on the scale of your foresight. If you are pursuing growth at all costs then yes, cash now. If you are merely finding work to pay for your life then take the 13 year option and have income in 13 years.

by SCdF 2y ago

trustno2 2y ago

There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux (there must be some...) GNOME Web/Epiphany (same thing) seems to use WebKit and is officially supported https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://webkit.org/downloads/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ https://apps.gnome.org/Epiphany/ It seems there is no WebKit browser for Windows.

sulandor 2y ago
> There is Safari. Or whatever is based on WebKit on Linux webkit was forked from the kde browser, not the other way.
- trustno2 2y ago
  So? Epiphany is based on WebKit now, KDE Browser doesn't exist anymore. (I needed to check it first.)
  - graemep 2y ago
    Its called Konqueror, and exists, but it uses a webkit fork now! Webkit was forked from KHTML which has been discontinued.
    - sulandor 2y ago
      i guess we are both right. thx for the clarification
kjkjadksj 2y ago
No good adblocking for safari like in firefox though
- layer8 2y ago
  Extensions like AdGuard and Ghostery are pretty good.
  - akho 2y ago
    Ghostery is an ad company, just as Anonym.
    - layer8 2y ago
      Please elaborate. See also the FAQ regarding data collection: https://www.ghostery.com/faq https://www.ghostery.com/faq
      - akho 2y ago
        Under its past owner Evidon, their business model was based on selling data to advertisers. Starting 2018, they showed personalized ads by themselves, through the GhosteryRewards program. I think that has since been terminated, but it would comply with the FAQ you posted (they claimed that personalization was purely on-device). I don’t know of any current offending practices, but there is no reason to trust or support this enterprise in the presence of better alternatives. uBlock Origin never did any of that, avoids all shadow of conflict of interest, and works better.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Coming from a ublock origin perspective, I’m not so sure
- einsteinx2 2y ago
  AdGuard works perfectly fine in Safari on Mac and iOS

grishka 2y ago

There's Ladybird. https://ladybird.org https://ladybird.org

bjord 2y ago
looking forward to ten years from now, when it meets those requirements

freediver 2y ago

If you use macOS/iOS, there is Orion. Webkit based, zero telemetry, lifetime license $150 USD, no other source of funding. https://kagi.com/orion https://kagi.com/orion

kjkjadksj 2y ago
With a price like that I’m assuming this product has a shelf life. It would make way more sense to ask a dollar a month. In 13 years they will have made more than that $150, and this model also incentivizes them to keep up development for years and years.
- 93po 2y ago
  for a fledgling project, $150 today is worth 10,000x $150 in 13 years.
  - kjkjadksj 2y ago
    Depends on the scale of your foresight. If you are pursuing growth at all costs then yes, cash now. If you are merely finding work to pay for your life then take the 13 year option and have income in 13 years.