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This is absolutely disgusting. Despite Mozilla's general decline, I always want to believe they're going to do the right thing by their users. But this is rea

by kelnos 2y ago

This is absolutely disgusting. Despite Mozilla's general decline, I always want to believe they're going to do the right thing by their users. But this is really hard to swallow. Advertising is unethical psychological manipulation, full stop. I don't care if the delivery or targeting mechanism is supposedly "privacy-preserving" (yeah, right). Ads themselves, even completely untargeted ads, need to go.

roca 2y ago
Then I think it's only fair for you to completely stop using ad-supported sites and services, right away. (Which will also mean that Firefox's treatment of ads will not affect you.)
- bux93 2y ago
  What do you mean you don't want to sleep with me? It's a date! I paid for dinner! - advertisers
  - LunaSea 2y ago
    "It's not stealing, I'm just freely accessing your paid content" - users
    - nmeagent 2y ago
      "Officer, arrest this man! He had the gall to show up at my site and only consume some of the content I tried to shove into his face!"
    - anononaut 2y ago
      They can always refuse to serve me anything. That's equally fair.
  - roca 2y ago
    It's actually: you say you want to live in a world where there are no ads, and therefore no ad-supported content. Well, with a little self-restraint you can live in that world right now. What, you don't like that world after all?
bjord 2y ago
I just did a quick search of your comments on HN and I see that you're regularly sharing/using links to archive.is in an effort to bypass paywalls. So, given that you're unwilling to pay and that you believe advertising is unethical, how do you expect people to fund the content you consume? Don't you think it's unethical to expect they do it for free? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author%3Akelnos%20archive&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author%3Akelnos%20archive&type...
- godshatter 2y ago
  Not the person you are replying to, but it's not up to me to determine what the best business model is for a company. My "job" with respect to info providers here is to consume what I like on an open protocol. If I find a website that interests me enough, by itself, to subscribe to it then maybe I would. But none of them have, not even any of the big ones. If someone provided a system where I could tip a website for an article or other piece of media I like, I'd do that. But nobody seems to know how to make micro-transactions work that I can see. So if advertising is unwanted, and subscriptions to individual websites on the internet isn't working either, then maybe they should get more creative. I had a lot of fun on old forums before this mess started, so if we revert to that so be it.

by kelnos 2y ago

roca 2y ago

Then I think it's only fair for you to completely stop using ad-supported sites and services, right away. (Which will also mean that Firefox's treatment of ads will not affect you.)

bux93 2y ago
What do you mean you don't want to sleep with me? It's a date! I paid for dinner! - advertisers
- LunaSea 2y ago
  "It's not stealing, I'm just freely accessing your paid content" - users
  - nmeagent 2y ago
    "Officer, arrest this man! He had the gall to show up at my site and only consume some of the content I tried to shove into his face!"
  - anononaut 2y ago
    They can always refuse to serve me anything. That's equally fair.
- roca 2y ago
  It's actually: you say you want to live in a world where there are no ads, and therefore no ad-supported content. Well, with a little self-restraint you can live in that world right now. What, you don't like that world after all?

bjord 2y ago

I just did a quick search of your comments on HN and I see that you're regularly sharing/using links to archive.is in an effort to bypass paywalls. So, given that you're unwilling to pay and that you believe advertising is unethical, how do you expect people to fund the content you consume? Don't you think it's unethical to expect they do it for free? https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author%3Akelnos%20archive&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=author%3Akelnos%20archive&type...

godshatter 2y ago
Not the person you are replying to, but it's not up to me to determine what the best business model is for a company. My "job" with respect to info providers here is to consume what I like on an open protocol. If I find a website that interests me enough, by itself, to subscribe to it then maybe I would. But none of them have, not even any of the big ones. If someone provided a system where I could tip a website for an article or other piece of media I like, I'd do that. But nobody seems to know how to make micro-transactions work that I can see. So if advertising is unwanted, and subscriptions to individual websites on the internet isn't working either, then maybe they should get more creative. I had a lot of fun on old forums before this mess started, so if we revert to that so be it.