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Or.. just switch to a more user friendly operating system like Debian or Pop_OS. I know I'm not installing Windows again on my machines anytime soon.

PinkMilkshake 2y ago
The very first line is "Sometimes using Windows is inevitable."
rfoo 2y ago
The one that just turns my screen black on "sleep" and leave backlight on? The one that shows my desktop for 0.5s before going into lock screen after I close and reopen lids? That's what I get from a Debian install on a 2017 (!) ThinkPad. Sorry, 2024 is still not the year of Linux desktop.
- akimbostrawman 2y ago
  ThinkPad != Desktop There also isn't such a thing as the linux lockscreen
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    Debian != Linux
- ggus 2y ago
  macOS also does show desktop and apps for half a second when I reopen the lid, before falling back to showing the login prompt. super annoying. (M3 MacBook Pro, so reasonably new)
- groestl 2y ago
  > The one that shows my desktop for 0.5s before going into lock screen after I close and reopen lids? It's 2024, and it's still not even the year of the Linux lock screen... loginctl unlock-session 5 I'm using Linux exclusively since two decades, but I think I've never had a fully working lock screen setup.
- II2II 2y ago
  Try using Linux exclusively for a few years, then switch back to Windows. You will discover that Windows has just as many quirks as Linux. Take sleep. While I have not run into situations where Windows will leave the backlight on, I have run into situations where Windows will remain connected to Bluetooth devices. A more disconcerting quirk is pulling a very hot laptop out of a bag. For some reason there are scenarios where Windows will keep chugging along in the background even though there are no peripherals connected and the lid is shut. Sometimes the criticisms of Linux's readiness are hilarious when compared to Windows, because the criticisms are more valid of Windows. The hardware I own is reasonably compatible with Linux. I can install it without issue. There are even cute benefits like the printer being automatically detected and ready to use. In contrast, installing Windows is a bit of an adventure. Simply getting through the installer involves doing some googling, pulling up a command prompt, and installing a network driver. If I don't do that, I won't get through the OOBE and to the desktop. Incidentally, I'm going through the installer without a pointer: neither the touchpad nor touchscreen will work until their own drivers are installed. Windows will pickup on and install those drivers with a system update, but that is done after the OOBE has completed. Incidentally, the hardware in question is a two year old Lenovo that shipped with Windows and was never intended to run Linux. I am not bringing up these issues to cheer for Linux, nor am I doing so to proclaim how much Windows sucks. I fully realize that most Windows users won't bump into the installation issues since it comes preinstalled, or because a typical Windows "reinstall" is a system restore that doesn't wipe out all of the drivers. I also fully realize that there are many usability quirks with Linux that I am blind to since I have used Linux for decades. (Yet the same can be said of Windows users who have used Windows for decades.) The reality is that switching operating systems takes effort. The reality is that individual experiences will vary for any operating system. Sweeping generalizations like "X is the year of the Linux desktop" or "X is not the year of the Linux desktop" simply aren't useful since the experience of adopting Linux depends as much on the individual, on their background and willingness to accept change, as it does on the readiness of Linux. But if people still want to make such generalizations, I hope they don't mind if I declare that 2024 is still not the year of the Windows desktop because, in my case, it isn't.
baka367 2y ago
I wish that Linux would at least try to seriously copy the UX of the MacOS. If apple can make a desktop OS that jsut works, why do i have to break my back on: - Figure out which distro actually works on a "linux teady (tm)" hardware - installing vpn in Linux - cycle between different package managers looking for an up-to-date version of a software that I need - not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them - have a reliable and secure faceid that leverages dedicated hardware, not needing to compromise on security on the easier to break and flunky photo-id etc, etc. I hate windows with all my heart, but I can only see myself migrating to MacOS. I've tried migrating to Linux multiple times, but it always ended in multiple days of googling, copying miles of bash woodoo from the internet (lots of it, and too many issues to have time to understand what I am pasting), and other issues that make the barrier of entry just too high.
- graemep 2y ago
  Simple solution. Do what you would do with a Mac and buy a computer with Linux preinstalled. > not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them Why do you care about small differences. Just pick one. > cycle between different package managers looking for an up-to-date version of a software that I need - not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them Why do you need the very latest version of software? Yes, a traditional stable distribution will not have the latest versions of everything in its repos but I think that is fine. If it is a problem for you use a distribution that uses flatpack or snap. That is very like MacOS. I have installed many versions of Linux over the years, and some might take a few hours to setup but I have never spent days fixing stuff.
- 3np 2y ago
  Reading your priorities, Fedora Workstation could be a good pick for you next time you get momentum. Complement the distro packages with flatpak, podman (docker replacement), and/or nix according to preference. (No idea about face-id tho)
- rraghur 2y ago
  So this may come off as salty but in just wondering if I'm the only one After years if Windows (at work) and Linux at home, I'm now using a Mac at work... Boy...it has its share of warts (like the other two)...and, imho, not the apex of design/usability that everyone raves about 1. Can't show address bar in finder... Seriously, go copy windows or any DE explorer 2. System bar (menu bar?)doesn't handle overflow? Where are the pitchforks ? Have to install Ice from github 3. Wanted to launch an app with CLI params and the Automator etc seems clunky... Both Linux and win do this better I like the hw and battery life and the sw stack (nix) but UX is at par with windows minus sneaky behaviour.. I mostly don't care since primary goal was a nix for development but UX was a let down... I'll take GNOME any day ( is been rock solid and I don't recall the last time it crashed) Yet, even here on hn I've never come across any griping at Mac os ux niggles ever
hypercube33 2y ago
Look I love Debian a lot but I'd never classify it as a user friendly distro. There are forks of Arch that are friendlier than Debian across the board. most users can't deal with hardware not working and Debian seems to excel at that.
resource_waste 2y ago
Bruh, never ever recommend debian family. Its such trash. At least recommend Fedora.

PinkMilkshake 2y ago

The very first line is "Sometimes using Windows is inevitable."

rfoo 2y ago

The one that just turns my screen black on "sleep" and leave backlight on? The one that shows my desktop for 0.5s before going into lock screen after I close and reopen lids? That's what I get from a Debian install on a 2017 (!) ThinkPad. Sorry, 2024 is still not the year of Linux desktop.

akimbostrawman 2y ago
ThinkPad != Desktop There also isn't such a thing as the linux lockscreen
- jazzyjackson 2y ago
  Debian != Linux
ggus 2y ago
macOS also does show desktop and apps for half a second when I reopen the lid, before falling back to showing the login prompt. super annoying. (M3 MacBook Pro, so reasonably new)
groestl 2y ago
> The one that shows my desktop for 0.5s before going into lock screen after I close and reopen lids? It's 2024, and it's still not even the year of the Linux lock screen... loginctl unlock-session 5 I'm using Linux exclusively since two decades, but I think I've never had a fully working lock screen setup.
II2II 2y ago
Try using Linux exclusively for a few years, then switch back to Windows. You will discover that Windows has just as many quirks as Linux. Take sleep. While I have not run into situations where Windows will leave the backlight on, I have run into situations where Windows will remain connected to Bluetooth devices. A more disconcerting quirk is pulling a very hot laptop out of a bag. For some reason there are scenarios where Windows will keep chugging along in the background even though there are no peripherals connected and the lid is shut. Sometimes the criticisms of Linux's readiness are hilarious when compared to Windows, because the criticisms are more valid of Windows. The hardware I own is reasonably compatible with Linux. I can install it without issue. There are even cute benefits like the printer being automatically detected and ready to use. In contrast, installing Windows is a bit of an adventure. Simply getting through the installer involves doing some googling, pulling up a command prompt, and installing a network driver. If I don't do that, I won't get through the OOBE and to the desktop. Incidentally, I'm going through the installer without a pointer: neither the touchpad nor touchscreen will work until their own drivers are installed. Windows will pickup on and install those drivers with a system update, but that is done after the OOBE has completed. Incidentally, the hardware in question is a two year old Lenovo that shipped with Windows and was never intended to run Linux. I am not bringing up these issues to cheer for Linux, nor am I doing so to proclaim how much Windows sucks. I fully realize that most Windows users won't bump into the installation issues since it comes preinstalled, or because a typical Windows "reinstall" is a system restore that doesn't wipe out all of the drivers. I also fully realize that there are many usability quirks with Linux that I am blind to since I have used Linux for decades. (Yet the same can be said of Windows users who have used Windows for decades.) The reality is that switching operating systems takes effort. The reality is that individual experiences will vary for any operating system. Sweeping generalizations like "X is the year of the Linux desktop" or "X is not the year of the Linux desktop" simply aren't useful since the experience of adopting Linux depends as much on the individual, on their background and willingness to accept change, as it does on the readiness of Linux. But if people still want to make such generalizations, I hope they don't mind if I declare that 2024 is still not the year of the Windows desktop because, in my case, it isn't.

baka367 2y ago

I wish that Linux would at least try to seriously copy the UX of the MacOS. If apple can make a desktop OS that jsut works, why do i have to break my back on: - Figure out which distro actually works on a "linux teady (tm)" hardware - installing vpn in Linux - cycle between different package managers looking for an up-to-date version of a software that I need - not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them - have a reliable and secure faceid that leverages dedicated hardware, not needing to compromise on security on the easier to break and flunky photo-id etc, etc. I hate windows with all my heart, but I can only see myself migrating to MacOS. I've tried migrating to Linux multiple times, but it always ended in multiple days of googling, copying miles of bash woodoo from the internet (lots of it, and too many issues to have time to understand what I am pasting), and other issues that make the barrier of entry just too high.

graemep 2y ago
Simple solution. Do what you would do with a Mac and buy a computer with Linux preinstalled. > not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them Why do you care about small differences. Just pick one. > cycle between different package managers looking for an up-to-date version of a software that I need - not need to worry about differences between different distros and death by a thousand small gaps between them Why do you need the very latest version of software? Yes, a traditional stable distribution will not have the latest versions of everything in its repos but I think that is fine. If it is a problem for you use a distribution that uses flatpack or snap. That is very like MacOS. I have installed many versions of Linux over the years, and some might take a few hours to setup but I have never spent days fixing stuff.
3np 2y ago
Reading your priorities, Fedora Workstation could be a good pick for you next time you get momentum. Complement the distro packages with flatpak, podman (docker replacement), and/or nix according to preference. (No idea about face-id tho)
rraghur 2y ago
So this may come off as salty but in just wondering if I'm the only one After years if Windows (at work) and Linux at home, I'm now using a Mac at work... Boy...it has its share of warts (like the other two)...and, imho, not the apex of design/usability that everyone raves about 1. Can't show address bar in finder... Seriously, go copy windows or any DE explorer 2. System bar (menu bar?)doesn't handle overflow? Where are the pitchforks ? Have to install Ice from github 3. Wanted to launch an app with CLI params and the Automator etc seems clunky... Both Linux and win do this better I like the hw and battery life and the sw stack (nix) but UX is at par with windows minus sneaky behaviour.. I mostly don't care since primary goal was a nix for development but UX was a let down... I'll take GNOME any day ( is been rock solid and I don't recall the last time it crashed) Yet, even here on hn I've never come across any griping at Mac os ux niggles ever

hypercube33 2y ago

Look I love Debian a lot but I'd never classify it as a user friendly distro. There are forks of Arch that are friendlier than Debian across the board. most users can't deal with hardware not working and Debian seems to excel at that.

resource_waste 2y ago

Bruh, never ever recommend debian family. Its such trash. At least recommend Fedora.