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The PSF and PyPA are more than welcome to get their act together and tell a good packaging story for Python. Unfortunately all they’ve had to offer is a billio

The PSF and PyPA are more than welcome to get their act together and tell a good packaging story for Python. Unfortunately all they’ve had to offer is a billion contributor blog posts essentially saying “the system we set up for ourselves limits our ability to be helpful, and that’s not our fault, somehow.” They’re all so caught up in their internal systems and politics[1] that they don’t seem to know why they’re actually there anymore. So if someone’s gonna go do an actually-good job and capture the market in the way that Astral is, then that’s exactly what we as a community deserve. [1]: I mean internal politics. This is a weird alt right “DEI HIRE!” rant.

lmeyerov 2y ago
Maybe a good example here is how the mamba team (quantstack) got frustrated with conda speed, splintered off to massively speed up things, and afaict it's now the new default solver. Even better, they seem to have a healthy consultancy doing projects like this, which solves the sustainability problem better than VC funding, which is a non-answer. I'm for small teams doing big pushes, and the example shows such efforts can coexist with healthier long-term governance strategies. It's sad that the effort was needed, but nonetheless, a clear demonstration of separation of concerns working for small engineering team => bigger governance org. It's also a bad look for the engineering priorities of anaconda inc on their flagship product. I wonder 'how we got there': Anaconda devs help build GPU python stacks, numba, etc, so they are quite good on what they do work on. Is every for-profit packaging-oriented company ultimately not paid enough to keep the packaging core fast? So VC $ just speeds up the schedule to mediocrity?
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  VC funding redirects the company’s focus on whatever is going to drive profits in the short or medium term. This does not necessarily align with great engineering :/ It’s often a poisoned chalice.
raverbashing 2y ago
Only goes to show the value of a BDFL
rfl890 2y ago
It is?
trallnag 2y ago
Pipx is a great piece of software and it is located under the PyPA organization.
AgentME 2y ago
I was confused by your post until I realized you meant "isn't" at the end.

lmeyerov 2y ago

Maybe a good example here is how the mamba team (quantstack) got frustrated with conda speed, splintered off to massively speed up things, and afaict it's now the new default solver. Even better, they seem to have a healthy consultancy doing projects like this, which solves the sustainability problem better than VC funding, which is a non-answer. I'm for small teams doing big pushes, and the example shows such efforts can coexist with healthier long-term governance strategies. It's sad that the effort was needed, but nonetheless, a clear demonstration of separation of concerns working for small engineering team => bigger governance org. It's also a bad look for the engineering priorities of anaconda inc on their flagship product. I wonder 'how we got there': Anaconda devs help build GPU python stacks, numba, etc, so they are quite good on what they do work on. Is every for-profit packaging-oriented company ultimately not paid enough to keep the packaging core fast? So VC $ just speeds up the schedule to mediocrity?

insane_dreamer 2y ago
VC funding redirects the company’s focus on whatever is going to drive profits in the short or medium term. This does not necessarily align with great engineering :/ It’s often a poisoned chalice.

raverbashing 2y ago

Only goes to show the value of a BDFL

rfl890 2y ago

It is?

trallnag 2y ago

Pipx is a great piece of software and it is located under the PyPA organization.

AgentME 2y ago

I was confused by your post until I realized you meant "isn't" at the end.