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I'm not using Wine, it's all native. That's the big deal for me: it took zero effort from me, it Just Works.

xrd 2y ago
Well, if this is steam, isn't it proton, which is wine underneath? I'm not discounting your experiences at all, btw. My 11 year old has been using Ubuntu as his main gaming rig, and the NVidia drivers work incredibly well and Steam games just work. It's still mind boggling to me that it works so well. And, I no longer have to troubleshoot removing Windows virii from his computer.
kmarc 2y ago
Sure, I didn't want to belittle your experience at all. It's great that vendors think about Linux as first class citizens on desktop , too. My understanding though, is that most of "steam games" are still windows binaries + wine + patches (proton, etc). It's well hidden behind a nice GUI, but the tech couldn't exist without the legacy of pure old wine.
- jcalvinowens 2y ago
  Hahaha not belittling at all, I'm just old enough that "running X with Wine" means "spending hours upon hours pulling your hair out until X barely works" to me. Getting it for free feels like cheating :)
frio 2y ago
Yes you are :). You just no longer have to set it up yourself. Steam runs Proton (their own WINE fork/distribution) under the hood for windows games.
- jcalvinowens 2y ago
  Well sure, but the point is it's done for me, and more importantly, actually tested by the developer in many cases.
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    Developers don't care, they target Windows as usual, and let Valve do the needful.
    - justinclift 2y ago
      Some game developers do test under Proton. Saying that because I'm in the discord server(s) for a few, and they mention stuff they're working on/support/etc over time.
      - pjmlp 2y ago
        Likewise, some do write GNU/Linux games, yet that wasn't in a number relevant enough to keep the original SteamOS going as businesses, until translation of Windows APIs was added.
    - skeaker 2y ago
      Sure, but I think the point is that that doesn't matter anymore. Not sure what you meant by restating this, seems irrelevant.
  - frio 2y ago
    Yeah that part is lovely. Having steam games “just work” for the most part is absolutely phenomenal.
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xrd 2y ago

Well, if this is steam, isn't it proton, which is wine underneath? I'm not discounting your experiences at all, btw. My 11 year old has been using Ubuntu as his main gaming rig, and the NVidia drivers work incredibly well and Steam games just work. It's still mind boggling to me that it works so well. And, I no longer have to troubleshoot removing Windows virii from his computer.

kmarc 2y ago

Sure, I didn't want to belittle your experience at all. It's great that vendors think about Linux as first class citizens on desktop , too. My understanding though, is that most of "steam games" are still windows binaries + wine + patches (proton, etc). It's well hidden behind a nice GUI, but the tech couldn't exist without the legacy of pure old wine.

jcalvinowens 2y ago
Hahaha not belittling at all, I'm just old enough that "running X with Wine" means "spending hours upon hours pulling your hair out until X barely works" to me. Getting it for free feels like cheating :)

frio 2y ago

Yes you are :). You just no longer have to set it up yourself. Steam runs Proton (their own WINE fork/distribution) under the hood for windows games.

jcalvinowens 2y ago
Well sure, but the point is it's done for me, and more importantly, actually tested by the developer in many cases.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Developers don't care, they target Windows as usual, and let Valve do the needful.
  - justinclift 2y ago
    Some game developers do test under Proton. Saying that because I'm in the discord server(s) for a few, and they mention stuff they're working on/support/etc over time.
    - pjmlp 2y ago
      Likewise, some do write GNU/Linux games, yet that wasn't in a number relevant enough to keep the original SteamOS going as businesses, until translation of Windows APIs was added.
  - skeaker 2y ago
    Sure, but I think the point is that that doesn't matter anymore. Not sure what you meant by restating this, seems irrelevant.
- frio 2y ago
  Yeah that part is lovely. Having steam games “just work” for the most part is absolutely phenomenal.

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