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I wouldn't blame people if they sat this round out and waited for 2026's iteration of "Python Package Managers: we've really solved it this time!" (still a hap

by ris 2y ago

I wouldn't blame people if they sat this round out and waited for 2026's iteration of "Python Package Managers: we've really solved it this time!" (still a happy Nix user)

nurettin 2y ago
Should have ended with "I use Nix, btw"
- intelVISA 2y ago
  It's important to remind people that all this is solved, by Nix, btw.
  - maleldil 2y ago
    For Python, specifically? As in, pyproject.toml-compatible tooling, with virtual environments and the like? I've see Nix being used for compiled languages, and maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't really seen it used to manage real-world projects. How do I manage a modern Python project with nix? How do I publish once to PyPI?
    - createaccount99 2y ago
      Agree. Don't think gp has any idea what they're saying. Using nix to install python dependencies is a disaster, it's only good for the python versions themselves.
      - maleldil 2y ago
        > it's only good for the python versions themselves Versioning Python isn't hard. pyenv, asdf, mise, now uv... I honestly don't see what Nix brings to the Python ecosystem. I can see using it to version Python if you already use it, but that's it.
        pxc 2y ago
        What Nix can bring to the Python ecosystem is the ability to actually manage all of the non-Python dependencies that drive most useful Python code, and to install them in a portable way. On my team we use Nix for actually distributing our Python programs, both directly onto machines for local development, and to build containers for deployment in the cloud. We use Poetry for development and generate the Nix package from our pyproject.toml. Actually plugging Python into a general-purpose package manager for native dependencies is admittedly a pretty clunky experience today because Python packages lack sufficient metadata and packaging formats within the ecosystem are so fragmented. But with a sane implementation of something like PEP-725, that could actually make that pretty smooth, including for system package managers other than Nix if that's not your cup of tea. https://peps.python.org/pep-0725/ https://peps.python.org/pep-0725/
      - ris 2y ago
        Works extremely well. Just don't expect to do version soup of random versions of everything. nixpkgs provides one of each that are chosen and known to work together.

by ris 2y ago

I wouldn't blame people if they sat this round out and waited for 2026's iteration of "Python Package Managers: we've really solved it this time!" (still a happy Nix user)

nurettin 2y ago

Should have ended with "I use Nix, btw"

intelVISA 2y ago
It's important to remind people that all this is solved, by Nix, btw.
- maleldil 2y ago
  For Python, specifically? As in, pyproject.toml-compatible tooling, with virtual environments and the like? I've see Nix being used for compiled languages, and maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't really seen it used to manage real-world projects. How do I manage a modern Python project with nix? How do I publish once to PyPI?
  - createaccount99 2y ago
    Agree. Don't think gp has any idea what they're saying. Using nix to install python dependencies is a disaster, it's only good for the python versions themselves.
    - maleldil 2y ago
      > it's only good for the python versions themselves Versioning Python isn't hard. pyenv, asdf, mise, now uv... I honestly don't see what Nix brings to the Python ecosystem. I can see using it to version Python if you already use it, but that's it.
      - pxc 2y ago
        What Nix can bring to the Python ecosystem is the ability to actually manage all of the non-Python dependencies that drive most useful Python code, and to install them in a portable way. On my team we use Nix for actually distributing our Python programs, both directly onto machines for local development, and to build containers for deployment in the cloud. We use Poetry for development and generate the Nix package from our pyproject.toml. Actually plugging Python into a general-purpose package manager for native dependencies is admittedly a pretty clunky experience today because Python packages lack sufficient metadata and packaging formats within the ecosystem are so fragmented. But with a sane implementation of something like PEP-725, that could actually make that pretty smooth, including for system package managers other than Nix if that's not your cup of tea. https://peps.python.org/pep-0725/ https://peps.python.org/pep-0725/
    - ris 2y ago
      Works extremely well. Just don't expect to do version soup of random versions of everything. nixpkgs provides one of each that are chosen and known to work together.