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It's extremely poor form to victim blame cyclists. Cars are the killers in the equation, and cars are the problem.

• Alupis 2y ago
  A cyclist rides through a red light (as they frequently do) and gets hit by a car - car's problem? I think not.
  • occz 2y ago
    I highly doubt that the source of cyclists being killed is to any significant fraction from them running red lights. Feel free to provide a factual basis for the claim.
    • waterhouse 2y ago
      Some googling yielded: https://www.bikeattorney.com/bike-accident-common-causes.html https://www.bikeattorney.com/bike-accident-common-causes.htm... 18 percent – driver failed to see cyclist 24 percent – cyclist ran a red light or failed to stop for a stop sign 22 percent – driver or passenger opened a car door into an oncoming cyclist
      • Alupis 2y ago
        24% is quite significant indeed. It is arguable the 22% caused by open car doors is also negligence on the cyclist's part. Riding that fast and that close to doors that may or may not suddenly open without warning is negligent. It would be akin to a lane-splitting motorcyclist failing to anticipate someone might change lanes without warning during heavy traffic.
        • ctidd 2y ago
          Putting the blame on cyclists for dooring requires missing problems up the chain which cause them to be in the door zone. Road designs (marked bike lanes that are 80% or more in the door zone) and automotive traffic overtaking unsafely are two contributors that directly or indirectly push cyclists into an unsafe space. To ride out of the door zone in many cases requires taking the lane and riding outside of a marked bicycle lane, if present. Cyclists can and should do this, but it is no surprise that many don’t, and it is no surprise that drivers complain of those who do.
        • mrgoldenbrown 2y ago
          >the 22% caused by open car doors is also negligence on the cyclist's part. disagree. the most typical bike lane in America is nicknamed "dooring lane" - a painted lane that forces cyclists to ride in the dooring zone. As for speed, I've been stopped at a light and had a parked driver open their door into me without even looking. If riding next to parked cars is dangerous, then it's the street designers who are to blame.
          • lttlrck 2y ago
            If it's typically nicknamed "dooring lane" then it must be common knowledge among cyclist that this can happen. So there must still be some significant negligence on their part to ride fast enough to be killed by a known hazard? This is risk taking, pure and simple.
  • isthatafact 2y ago
    The problem could be avoided if the intersection had cameras able to notice the approaching bicycle and give it a green light.