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One party is fundamentally against making solutions, regardless of what the solution or problem actually is. They don't want it. Their solution to every problem

One party is fundamentally against making solutions, regardless of what the solution or problem actually is. They don't want it. Their solution to every problem is "do nothing". Something something free market

lolinder 2y ago
This is a meme that's passed around on the left-leaning internet but anyone who has spent any significant amount of time with Republican voters knows it's nonsense. There are a whole ton of laws that Republicans want implemented. I'm not sure if they don't count as laws because left-leaning meme-makers strongly disagree with them or because they truly don't realize that Republicans have opinions besides "big government bad". To wit: * Immigration law * Laws regarding who you can and can't marry * Laws preventing access to a number of health procedures * Laws regarding what types of substances you can put into yourself * Laws forcing big platforms to not censor speech * Laws enshrining churches as protected institutions And on and on and on and on. If you listen to these memes you'd get the impression that Republican voters are overwhelmingly libertarian, which couldn't be further from the truth. You may well disagree with many of the laws that they want (I do), but it's a bit rich to claim that they don't want any laws when the Democratic Party is basically running on a platform of "stop Project 2025".
- consteval 2y ago
  All those laws you listed are about maintained the status quo or the status quo of a few decades ago, i.e. conservatism. This isn't creating solutions to problems, this is bringing back or upholding problems from some time ago so we can look at them and do nothing. This is the fundamental difference between conservative ideology and progressive ideology. Progressives seek solutions to current-day perceived problems, and sometimes the solutions are bad. Conservatives seek to maintain problems, even across generations, sometimes bringing problems of long ago back into reality. This is why, for example, conservatives brought Jim Crow during the reconstruction era. Is this not regulation? Yes, but it's also a return/continuation of the status quo. It's the opposite of a solution, it's a the problem extended and then actually PROTECTING the problem so it can't be solved. It's an anti-solution. That's one, really old, example. But take your pick of any during American history and you will see this is always the case. Because that's what defines conservatism as conservatism.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    You're not exactly wrong, but it doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion because the status quo has shifted in each of these cases in ways that are unfavorable to a conservative, which means in practical terms they have to play the same game as the Democrats do. Neither one likes the status quo, which means both have to implement laws, and both currently choose to do so through administrative action rather than something more permanent. "Stop Project 2025" implies what I'm saying: there is a status quo that the Democrats want to protect and the Republicans want to undo.
    - consteval 2y ago
      > "Stop Project 2025" implies what I'm saying Kind of, but not really. Because Project 2025 is just a vessel. You see, conservatives are so dedicated to maintaining problems they will go to the ends of the Earth. Project 2025 is a power grab, so then that power can be used to maintain the status quo and prevent solutions even more effectively. Of course that will then target transgender individuals, women, gay people probably... whatever is new-ish and we should "go back" on. So: > there is a status quo that the Democrats want to protect and the Republicans want to undo ehh... Republicans want to reverse our positioning and trajectory, and Project 2025 is how they do that. In that sense, republicans are still maintaining the status quo (or the status quo of a few decades ago). > Which means in practical terms they have to play the same game as the Democrats do I agree. Both "sides" have to pass laws and use "big government" to get what they want. And then there's libertarians, who don't really exist because even they themselves don't believe their beliefs. So this is what we have.
      - lolinder 2y ago
        Yeah, I'm definitely filing this under "hasn't spent much time with conservatives". The equivalent comment from the other side is "liberals are so dedicated to destroying traditional family life they will go to the ends of the Earth".
        consteval 2y ago
lolinder 2y ago
OP changed their comment from "making laws" to "making solutions" and now my original comment makes less sense, but it's too late to edit. Every use of "solutions" in the above comment originally read as "laws", which is what I identified as a nonsensical meme.

lolinder 2y ago

This is a meme that's passed around on the left-leaning internet but anyone who has spent any significant amount of time with Republican voters knows it's nonsense. There are a whole ton of laws that Republicans want implemented. I'm not sure if they don't count as laws because left-leaning meme-makers strongly disagree with them or because they truly don't realize that Republicans have opinions besides "big government bad". To wit: * Immigration law * Laws regarding who you can and can't marry * Laws preventing access to a number of health procedures * Laws regarding what types of substances you can put into yourself * Laws forcing big platforms to not censor speech * Laws enshrining churches as protected institutions And on and on and on and on. If you listen to these memes you'd get the impression that Republican voters are overwhelmingly libertarian, which couldn't be further from the truth. You may well disagree with many of the laws that they want (I do), but it's a bit rich to claim that they don't want any laws when the Democratic Party is basically running on a platform of "stop Project 2025".

consteval 2y ago
All those laws you listed are about maintained the status quo or the status quo of a few decades ago, i.e. conservatism. This isn't creating solutions to problems, this is bringing back or upholding problems from some time ago so we can look at them and do nothing. This is the fundamental difference between conservative ideology and progressive ideology. Progressives seek solutions to current-day perceived problems, and sometimes the solutions are bad. Conservatives seek to maintain problems, even across generations, sometimes bringing problems of long ago back into reality. This is why, for example, conservatives brought Jim Crow during the reconstruction era. Is this not regulation? Yes, but it's also a return/continuation of the status quo. It's the opposite of a solution, it's a the problem extended and then actually PROTECTING the problem so it can't be solved. It's an anti-solution. That's one, really old, example. But take your pick of any during American history and you will see this is always the case. Because that's what defines conservatism as conservatism.
- lolinder 2y ago
  You're not exactly wrong, but it doesn't matter for the purposes of this discussion because the status quo has shifted in each of these cases in ways that are unfavorable to a conservative, which means in practical terms they have to play the same game as the Democrats do. Neither one likes the status quo, which means both have to implement laws, and both currently choose to do so through administrative action rather than something more permanent. "Stop Project 2025" implies what I'm saying: there is a status quo that the Democrats want to protect and the Republicans want to undo.
  - consteval 2y ago
    > "Stop Project 2025" implies what I'm saying Kind of, but not really. Because Project 2025 is just a vessel. You see, conservatives are so dedicated to maintaining problems they will go to the ends of the Earth. Project 2025 is a power grab, so then that power can be used to maintain the status quo and prevent solutions even more effectively. Of course that will then target transgender individuals, women, gay people probably... whatever is new-ish and we should "go back" on. So: > there is a status quo that the Democrats want to protect and the Republicans want to undo ehh... Republicans want to reverse our positioning and trajectory, and Project 2025 is how they do that. In that sense, republicans are still maintaining the status quo (or the status quo of a few decades ago). > Which means in practical terms they have to play the same game as the Democrats do I agree. Both "sides" have to pass laws and use "big government" to get what they want. And then there's libertarians, who don't really exist because even they themselves don't believe their beliefs. So this is what we have.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      Yeah, I'm definitely filing this under "hasn't spent much time with conservatives". The equivalent comment from the other side is "liberals are so dedicated to destroying traditional family life they will go to the ends of the Earth".
      - consteval 2y ago

lolinder 2y ago

OP changed their comment from "making laws" to "making solutions" and now my original comment makes less sense, but it's too late to edit. Every use of "solutions" in the above comment originally read as "laws", which is what I identified as a nonsensical meme.