Yeah, these discussions are fascinating but I'd still think it's not very hard to learn how to blow stuff up and sabotage assembly lines, given enough tries. S

Yeah, these discussions are fascinating but I'd still think it's not very hard to learn how to blow stuff up and sabotage assembly lines, given enough tries. So it's not exactly an infinite loop IMO, it's more like that the first iteration was more crude and the machines were difficult to kill but then people learned and passed the information along back in time, eventually forming the infinite loop -- it still had a first step though, it didn't come out of nothing.