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> taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes Isn’t this avoided by using your turn signal?

> taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes Isn’t this avoided by using your turn signal? That’s how Mazda’s works

hunter2_ 2y ago
That's how VW works as well, when the next lane is clear. But if you're on a collision course according to the blind spot monitoring system, a turn signal won't suppress anything and temporarily makes for what feels like extra-aggressive lane keep. This is great if you failed to notice the other vehicle, but it does maintain a bit more buffer than some practiced weavers would find necessary (like during a lane change that would be cutting someone off if not for sufficient acceleration to produce a reasonable gap albeit on the late side).
- mmastrac 2y ago
  Are you admitting to weaving in and out of other traffic? That is insanely dangerous and I've been nearly hit by drivers like this repeatedly over the years. Maybe there's a good reason the safety system of the car is fighting you on this
  - hunter2_ 2y ago
    No. I've experienced this (insufficient gap for BSM to be satisfied) during collision avoidance maneuvers where a lane change of this nature was the better option than getting smashed, and based on that experience, I can realize that weavers would mistakenly think LKA is repeatedly interfering with lane changes (a bad thing) when it's actually BSM doing so (a good thing).
- jabroni_salad 2y ago
  I have a very different experience with my 22 Golf GTI. When I'm on the highway I use ACC with max following distance and lanekeep enabled. I know what all of the safety systems feel like and I never encounter them if I have the blinker on before I enter the ACC's zone and the 'car in front of you' indicator turns opaque. I also like that if I am following someone slow with ACC it starts to accelerate the very second that I turn on the blinker so I can start passing. My old car would make you wait until it could read that the lane was clear. The only system that I objectively dont like is the 'travel assist' (lane centering) because I do not like the lane position that it prefers.
beAbU 2y ago
Yeah I think GP is inadvertently admitting that they don't use indicators.
- bugglebeetle 2y ago
  Classic Tesla owner.
- screcth 2y ago
  It's really important that drivers can control their car at all times. Software should not override control because it "thinks" that you are making a mistake. This seems like a recipe for disaster when you are in a situation in which you need to respond quickly to an unexpected circumstance.
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    I can't speak to every car, but my experience is the lanekeeping assist applies very little force to the wheel and if you're making any sort of emergency maneuver you'll go straight through it and feel a slight bump warning you that the car thinks you're crossing the line. If you push against it at all it doesn't stop you. Maybe it even stops trying to apply force entirely if you resist its initial nudge. I thought it might be annoying when I first got a car with LKA, but I've yet to have any complaints about it.
- Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
  Some people only use their turn signal when other people are around. I think that's an odd behavior. As far as I'm concerned, using the signal is just as much of part of a lane change as is turning the wheel. Be in the habit of using it every time and you'll never forget it.
  - wlesieutre 2y ago
    The other thing about only using your turn signal when other people are around, is that what you're actually doing is using your turn signal when you're aware of other people being around. Especially as a pedestrian I think a lot of drivers are basically blind to your existence and then don't bother to signal turns because if they don't notice you then why would they need to warn anyone of what they're about to do with their 6000 pound metal box? And besides, are pedestrians really people anyway?

> taking over my steering because it thinks I'm drifting out of my lane when I'm trying to actually change lanes Isn’t this avoided by using your turn signal? That’s how Mazda’s works

hunter2_ 2y ago

That's how VW works as well, when the next lane is clear. But if you're on a collision course according to the blind spot monitoring system, a turn signal won't suppress anything and temporarily makes for what feels like extra-aggressive lane keep. This is great if you failed to notice the other vehicle, but it does maintain a bit more buffer than some practiced weavers would find necessary (like during a lane change that would be cutting someone off if not for sufficient acceleration to produce a reasonable gap albeit on the late side).

mmastrac 2y ago
Are you admitting to weaving in and out of other traffic? That is insanely dangerous and I've been nearly hit by drivers like this repeatedly over the years. Maybe there's a good reason the safety system of the car is fighting you on this
- hunter2_ 2y ago
  No. I've experienced this (insufficient gap for BSM to be satisfied) during collision avoidance maneuvers where a lane change of this nature was the better option than getting smashed, and based on that experience, I can realize that weavers would mistakenly think LKA is repeatedly interfering with lane changes (a bad thing) when it's actually BSM doing so (a good thing).
jabroni_salad 2y ago
I have a very different experience with my 22 Golf GTI. When I'm on the highway I use ACC with max following distance and lanekeep enabled. I know what all of the safety systems feel like and I never encounter them if I have the blinker on before I enter the ACC's zone and the 'car in front of you' indicator turns opaque. I also like that if I am following someone slow with ACC it starts to accelerate the very second that I turn on the blinker so I can start passing. My old car would make you wait until it could read that the lane was clear. The only system that I objectively dont like is the 'travel assist' (lane centering) because I do not like the lane position that it prefers.

beAbU 2y ago

Yeah I think GP is inadvertently admitting that they don't use indicators.

bugglebeetle 2y ago
Classic Tesla owner.
screcth 2y ago
It's really important that drivers can control their car at all times. Software should not override control because it "thinks" that you are making a mistake. This seems like a recipe for disaster when you are in a situation in which you need to respond quickly to an unexpected circumstance.
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  I can't speak to every car, but my experience is the lanekeeping assist applies very little force to the wheel and if you're making any sort of emergency maneuver you'll go straight through it and feel a slight bump warning you that the car thinks you're crossing the line. If you push against it at all it doesn't stop you. Maybe it even stops trying to apply force entirely if you resist its initial nudge. I thought it might be annoying when I first got a car with LKA, but I've yet to have any complaints about it.
Sohcahtoa82 2y ago
Some people only use their turn signal when other people are around. I think that's an odd behavior. As far as I'm concerned, using the signal is just as much of part of a lane change as is turning the wheel. Be in the habit of using it every time and you'll never forget it.
- wlesieutre 2y ago
  The other thing about only using your turn signal when other people are around, is that what you're actually doing is using your turn signal when you're aware of other people being around. Especially as a pedestrian I think a lot of drivers are basically blind to your existence and then don't bother to signal turns because if they don't notice you then why would they need to warn anyone of what they're about to do with their 6000 pound metal box? And besides, are pedestrians really people anyway?