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You'd be surprised at how it's a great developer of latent narcissistic behavior. I know a couple of solid developers who immediate turned into outright jerks o

You'd be surprised at how it's a great developer of latent narcissistic behavior. I know a couple of solid developers who immediate turned into outright jerks on promotion to senior.

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bitwize 2y ago
> I know a couple of solid developers who immediate turned into outright jerks on promotion to senior. I know a guy who became significantly more short-fused and less friendly when he was promoted into management. I don't think he liked management work, particularly when it involved both that and fulfilling outstanding responsibilities as an IC because he was the sole SME for a variety of different products/systems we had. There were many sad-sounding conversations with his then-girlfriend well after close of business. Point being, sometimes people who turn into jerks when promoted are not necessarily narcissists, they just have a shitton more work to deal with now and/or are out of their element and/or can't get home to spend enough time with their SO/kids/pets to fully psychologically reset at the end of the day. I don't know how that description tracks with the devs you knew, though.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  Yes, exactly! Thank you for posting. I tried to get at this in my [now-deleted] peer post... but failed to be nearly as effective. Was a shameful wall of text. Seniors are juniors with a label and expectations applied. It's incredibly subjective of course. To your point, I find the conventional expectations of 'Senior' too high. I have spent decades perfecting my technical skill. Literally since childhood. My personal skills have suffered, neither I or you want me to be a talking head. The story of the Junior who doesn't get enough help is a bit self-fulfilling/lacking in context. How much has been given/stuck/to who? Hearing 'not enough' can either raise someone to the challenge, or create resentment. A bit of closing irony. I was fine with providing on-site training as a Senior until RTO was ham-fisted so poorly... that I found an even more illustrious 'Principal' title, and expectations, elsewhere.

You'd be surprised at how it's a great developer of latent narcissistic behavior. I know a couple of solid developers who immediate turned into outright jerks on promotion to senior.

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bitwize 2y ago

> I know a couple of solid developers who immediate turned into outright jerks on promotion to senior. I know a guy who became significantly more short-fused and less friendly when he was promoted into management. I don't think he liked management work, particularly when it involved both that and fulfilling outstanding responsibilities as an IC because he was the sole SME for a variety of different products/systems we had. There were many sad-sounding conversations with his then-girlfriend well after close of business. Point being, sometimes people who turn into jerks when promoted are not necessarily narcissists, they just have a shitton more work to deal with now and/or are out of their element and/or can't get home to spend enough time with their SO/kids/pets to fully psychologically reset at the end of the day. I don't know how that description tracks with the devs you knew, though.

bravetraveler 2y ago
Yes, exactly! Thank you for posting. I tried to get at this in my [now-deleted] peer post... but failed to be nearly as effective. Was a shameful wall of text. Seniors are juniors with a label and expectations applied. It's incredibly subjective of course. To your point, I find the conventional expectations of 'Senior' too high. I have spent decades perfecting my technical skill. Literally since childhood. My personal skills have suffered, neither I or you want me to be a talking head. The story of the Junior who doesn't get enough help is a bit self-fulfilling/lacking in context. How much has been given/stuck/to who? Hearing 'not enough' can either raise someone to the challenge, or create resentment. A bit of closing irony. I was fine with providing on-site training as a Senior until RTO was ham-fisted so poorly... that I found an even more illustrious 'Principal' title, and expectations, elsewhere.