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> The market is incentivized to deliver a product that meets the minimum bar to meet that checkbox, while being useless. I invite you to think of your favorit

> The market is incentivized to deliver a product that meets the minimum bar to meet that checkbox, while being useless. I invite you to think of your favorite middleware or EDR vendors here. For passionate security founders considering raising venture, remember that this is what your "success" is being benchmarked against. > Do not swallow blackpills. It's easy to get really cynical and think things are doomed > Creating leverage for yourself. Hackers should not think of themselves as "oh I am this little guy fighting Big Corporation" or whatever. This is low agency behavior. Instead become the corporation and RUN IT THE WAY YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE RUN. Should I do it? Does this mean me? Obviously not, because I don't know shit about EDR. But obviously neither does Crowdstrike. I mean really, I couldn't possibly do any worse... right? Right? On the internet, it's easy to feel outclassed. But IRL, a large majority of people suck at their job. So in theory this should work. In practice, I guess I'm just blackpilled. For much less effort I can get paid 6 figures for 2 hours of work per week. [Also, I realize that winning at business is more difficult than I'm implying. But if my former bosses, who didn't do much other than yell at people and also drugs, could build a 25M/year business then you probably can too.]

ganzuul 2y ago
If your debt grows faster than your income you are blackpilled. If you run a derivatives market in your head and nothing you imagine can be boostrapped, you are blackpilled. Crypto gets a lot of shit but social contracts made analyzable as smart contracts is promising for ethical financial markets. e.g. you could detect a debt spiral as a flow/loop/void structure with renormalization groups and persistent homology. When you can spot entities trying to create wage slaves from 100 miles away you can focus your energy on being creative.
- jcpham2 2y ago
  Interesting thought experiment you’ve shared. Thanks now my mind is running
  - ganzuul 2y ago
    If you get results I'd be curious to know. Peace.
- jocaal 2y ago
  Do you mind expanding on the meaning of blackpilled. I am struggling to make sense of your comment without that context. Google brings up stuff to do with misogyny.
  - ganzuul 2y ago
    In the Matrix movie Neo took the blue pill or the red pill. Taking the red pill meant Neo woke up and saw the Matrix for what it was. IRL being "redpilled" then started to mean you constructed a new world model which was critical of power structures, which then turned into both misogyny and misandry and pretty soon people realized this world model they created had made them mentally ill. Then the realization that they had constructed a new Matrix, worse than the old, became the 'black pill'. IMO it's different from nihilism because of the self-awareness and inability to stop it from happening.
    - gen220 2y ago
      I usually think of "red pill" as "You learn some piece of information, the implications of which lead to your perception of the world expanding in a large and meaningful way that belies your earlier perception of the world and forces a reassessment of prior experiences". I think of "black pill" as a GMO'd red pill designed to nudge the "learner" into a position of learned-helplessness. Take a common aphorism around here: "99% of startups fail, so you shouldn't bother trying". The red pill is "failure is the most common modality for new ventures", but the attached advice makes it a black pill. In a meta way, the linking of the term "red pill" to misogyny/misandry turned the red pill concept itself into a black pill (why bother seeking "red pills" if the "community" most identified with them is so disturbing?).
  - spencerflem 2y ago
    The way its used in the article at least, to me means having a view of the world that feels true and important but is bleak and disempowering. Like the sibling comment said, 'red pill' is seeing the truth of the world (or, what the community that uses the term red pill thinks is the truth at least. often this refers to the truth as decided by internet mysoginiats). Black pill is this truth + its unchangeable and hopeless and pointless and why do anything and oh god I wish I could go back to not knowing. If its used by somebody reasonable, blackpill is a pejorative with the implication that the ideology is more cynical and hopeless than it really should be and has the connotation that their ideology is a little too internety.
immibis 2y ago
EDR vendors don't seem to know shit about EDR, either. You could be one even if you don't know about EDR. It's all about how you make your customers see you. That's what the article is saying.
ActorNightly 2y ago
It depends on what you value. The catch22 is that if you are good at technology, you tend to align your personal morals and character to actual true value, not fake value, which makes you a pretty good anti-bullshit filter. However people who align themselves to the concept of making money are more aligned to working with the bullshit, not seeing it as negative but as a part of life. Thats why your ex bosses could build 25M business, and why you are blackpilled. In the past, when there was room for innovation because things haven't been invented yet, you could do both. Now, you basically have to pick one or the other.
LoganDark 2y ago
> But if my former bosses, who didn't do much other than yell at people and also drugs, could build a 25M/year business then you probably can too. They're in a privileged position. Someone who's not already in a privileged position can't necessarily get there just by trying super hard.

ganzuul 2y ago

If your debt grows faster than your income you are blackpilled. If you run a derivatives market in your head and nothing you imagine can be boostrapped, you are blackpilled. Crypto gets a lot of shit but social contracts made analyzable as smart contracts is promising for ethical financial markets. e.g. you could detect a debt spiral as a flow/loop/void structure with renormalization groups and persistent homology. When you can spot entities trying to create wage slaves from 100 miles away you can focus your energy on being creative.

jcpham2 2y ago
Interesting thought experiment you’ve shared. Thanks now my mind is running
- ganzuul 2y ago
  If you get results I'd be curious to know. Peace.
jocaal 2y ago
Do you mind expanding on the meaning of blackpilled. I am struggling to make sense of your comment without that context. Google brings up stuff to do with misogyny.
- ganzuul 2y ago
  In the Matrix movie Neo took the blue pill or the red pill. Taking the red pill meant Neo woke up and saw the Matrix for what it was. IRL being "redpilled" then started to mean you constructed a new world model which was critical of power structures, which then turned into both misogyny and misandry and pretty soon people realized this world model they created had made them mentally ill. Then the realization that they had constructed a new Matrix, worse than the old, became the 'black pill'. IMO it's different from nihilism because of the self-awareness and inability to stop it from happening.
  - gen220 2y ago
    I usually think of "red pill" as "You learn some piece of information, the implications of which lead to your perception of the world expanding in a large and meaningful way that belies your earlier perception of the world and forces a reassessment of prior experiences". I think of "black pill" as a GMO'd red pill designed to nudge the "learner" into a position of learned-helplessness. Take a common aphorism around here: "99% of startups fail, so you shouldn't bother trying". The red pill is "failure is the most common modality for new ventures", but the attached advice makes it a black pill. In a meta way, the linking of the term "red pill" to misogyny/misandry turned the red pill concept itself into a black pill (why bother seeking "red pills" if the "community" most identified with them is so disturbing?).
- spencerflem 2y ago
  The way its used in the article at least, to me means having a view of the world that feels true and important but is bleak and disempowering. Like the sibling comment said, 'red pill' is seeing the truth of the world (or, what the community that uses the term red pill thinks is the truth at least. often this refers to the truth as decided by internet mysoginiats). Black pill is this truth + its unchangeable and hopeless and pointless and why do anything and oh god I wish I could go back to not knowing. If its used by somebody reasonable, blackpill is a pejorative with the implication that the ideology is more cynical and hopeless than it really should be and has the connotation that their ideology is a little too internety.

immibis 2y ago

EDR vendors don't seem to know shit about EDR, either. You could be one even if you don't know about EDR. It's all about how you make your customers see you. That's what the article is saying.

ActorNightly 2y ago

It depends on what you value. The catch22 is that if you are good at technology, you tend to align your personal morals and character to actual true value, not fake value, which makes you a pretty good anti-bullshit filter. However people who align themselves to the concept of making money are more aligned to working with the bullshit, not seeing it as negative but as a part of life. Thats why your ex bosses could build 25M business, and why you are blackpilled. In the past, when there was room for innovation because things haven't been invented yet, you could do both. Now, you basically have to pick one or the other.

LoganDark 2y ago

> But if my former bosses, who didn't do much other than yell at people and also drugs, could build a 25M/year business then you probably can too. They're in a privileged position. Someone who's not already in a privileged position can't necessarily get there just by trying super hard.