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LLMs have no soul, so I like content and curation from real people

doe_eyes 2y ago
The main problem is that the incentive for well-intentioned people to add detailed and accurate metadata is much lower than the incentive for SEO dudes to abuse the system if the metadata is used for anything of consequence. There's a reason why search engines that trusted website metadata went extinct. That's the whole benefit of using LLMs for categorization: they work for you, not for the SEO guy... well, prompt injection tricks aside.
- monero-xmr 2y ago
  There is value-add if you can prove whatever content you are producing is from an authentic human, because I dislike LLM produced garbage
  - usrusr 2y ago
    The point is that metadata lies. Intentionally, instead of just being coincidentally wrong. For example everybody who wants to spew LLM produced garbage in your face will go out of their way to attach metadata claiming the opposite. The value proposition of LLM categorization would be that the LLM looks at the same content as the eventual human (if, in fact, it does - which is a related but different problem)
tsimionescu 2y ago
All the web metadata I consume is organic and responsively farmed.
amarant 2y ago
Huh, it's not often you hear a religious argument in a technical discussion. Interesting viewpoint!
- MrVandemar 2y ago
  I don't see it as anything religious. I see the comment about something having an intrinsic, instinctive quality, which we can categorise as having "soul".
  - amarant 2y ago
    That's even more interesting! The only non-religious meaning of soul I've ever heard is a music genre, but then English is my second language. I tried googling it and found this meaning I wasn't aware of: emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance. "their interpretation lacked soul" Is this the definition used? I'm not sure how a JSON document is supposed to convey emotional or intellectual energy, especially since it's basically a collection of tags. Maybe I also lack soul? Or is there yet another definition I didn't find?
    - pessimizer 2y ago
      It's early 20th century (and later) black American dialect to say things "have soul" or "don't have soul." In the West, Black Americans are associated with a mystical connection to the Earth, deeper understandings, and suffering. So LLMs are not gritty and down and dirty, and don't get down. They're not the real stuff.
      - amarant 2y ago
        Mystical connection? Now you're back to religion. If you wanna be down you gotta keep it real, and mysticism is categorically not that.
  - Eisenstein 2y ago
    > intrinsic, instinctive quality, What are a few examples of things with an 'intrinsic, instinctive quality'?
    - MrVandemar 2y ago

The main problem is that the incentive for well-intentioned people to add detailed and accurate metadata is much lower than the incentive for SEO dudes to abuse the system if the metadata is used for anything of consequence. There's a reason why search engines that trusted website metadata went extinct. That's the whole benefit of using LLMs for categorization: they work for you, not for the SEO guy... well, prompt injection tricks aside.

monero-xmr 2y ago
There is value-add if you can prove whatever content you are producing is from an authentic human, because I dislike LLM produced garbage
- usrusr 2y ago
  The point is that metadata lies. Intentionally, instead of just being coincidentally wrong. For example everybody who wants to spew LLM produced garbage in your face will go out of their way to attach metadata claiming the opposite. The value proposition of LLM categorization would be that the LLM looks at the same content as the eventual human (if, in fact, it does - which is a related but different problem)

tsimionescu 2y ago

All the web metadata I consume is organic and responsively farmed.

amarant 2y ago

Huh, it's not often you hear a religious argument in a technical discussion. Interesting viewpoint!

MrVandemar 2y ago
I don't see it as anything religious. I see the comment about something having an intrinsic, instinctive quality, which we can categorise as having "soul".
- amarant 2y ago
  That's even more interesting! The only non-religious meaning of soul I've ever heard is a music genre, but then English is my second language. I tried googling it and found this meaning I wasn't aware of: emotional or intellectual energy or intensity, especially as revealed in a work of art or an artistic performance. "their interpretation lacked soul" Is this the definition used? I'm not sure how a JSON document is supposed to convey emotional or intellectual energy, especially since it's basically a collection of tags. Maybe I also lack soul? Or is there yet another definition I didn't find?
  - pessimizer 2y ago
    It's early 20th century (and later) black American dialect to say things "have soul" or "don't have soul." In the West, Black Americans are associated with a mystical connection to the Earth, deeper understandings, and suffering. So LLMs are not gritty and down and dirty, and don't get down. They're not the real stuff.
    - amarant 2y ago
      Mystical connection? Now you're back to religion. If you wanna be down you gotta keep it real, and mysticism is categorically not that.
- Eisenstein 2y ago
  > intrinsic, instinctive quality, What are a few examples of things with an 'intrinsic, instinctive quality'?
  - MrVandemar 2y ago