4 ms·

As long as there's soul-sucking traffic, the public will demand solutions. Traffic has been getting worse in LA and they've already gone beyond HOV lanes. Now t

by Axsuul 2y ago

As long as there's soul-sucking traffic, the public will demand solutions. Traffic has been getting worse in LA and they've already gone beyond HOV lanes. Now there's toll lanes on most of the major freeways where you can pay to bypass traffic. The next step after that will be congestion pricing just to enter the city (Metro is already studying it).

treyd 2y ago
The solution to traffic is to build better, more efficient transit infrastructure that doesn't involve everyone driving their own giant metal boxes everywhere when for most trips they just don't need to.
- Axsuul 2y ago
  Sure but you are still going to have people want to drive in their own metal boxes, like those who prefer to have their own space. And for a sprawling city like LA, it's not possible to build efficient public transit connections between each point. It's not realistic for everyone to take the train or bus.
  - treyd 2y ago
    But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc.
    - Axsuul 2y ago
      > But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Even if most people would take the tube, that still leaves millions who need to drive into LA for work. Since everyone has a backyard and the population density in the suburbs doesn't come anywhere close to Tokyo's, it's neither economical nor practical to build public transportation options out there. > Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc. Used to, but those days are gone and it's now 100x harder to reverse that decision. Los Angeles is currently spending the most money out of all the cities in the US on its metro system in preparation for the 2028 Olympics, and even that is still scratching the surface.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  Mass transit makes sense in the places mass transit makes sense. Everywhere else it's a waste of infrastructure spend.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]

by Axsuul 2y ago

treyd 2y ago

The solution to traffic is to build better, more efficient transit infrastructure that doesn't involve everyone driving their own giant metal boxes everywhere when for most trips they just don't need to.

Axsuul 2y ago
Sure but you are still going to have people want to drive in their own metal boxes, like those who prefer to have their own space. And for a sprawling city like LA, it's not possible to build efficient public transit connections between each point. It's not realistic for everyone to take the train or bus.
- treyd 2y ago
  But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc.
  - Axsuul 2y ago
    > But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Even if most people would take the tube, that still leaves millions who need to drive into LA for work. Since everyone has a backyard and the population density in the suburbs doesn't come anywhere close to Tokyo's, it's neither economical nor practical to build public transportation options out there. > Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc. Used to, but those days are gone and it's now 100x harder to reverse that decision. Los Angeles is currently spending the most money out of all the cities in the US on its metro system in preparation for the 2028 Olympics, and even that is still scratching the surface.
forgetfreeman 2y ago
Mass transit makes sense in the places mass transit makes sense. Everywhere else it's a waste of infrastructure spend.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]