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"any other take is frankly disingenuous" - come on now, you're basically saying "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is just wrong". Not really top notch

"any other take is frankly disingenuous" - come on now, you're basically saying "I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is just wrong". Not really top notch argumentation there. Many have said that the US military adventurism and support for 3rd world despots has made the world a more dangerous place. I think there's plenty of room to debate such ideas instead of discarding such dialogue so rashly.

anon291 2y ago
That's because the data is pretty much unequivocal about casualties due to war. War used to be the common state of the world in most countries. Now? The contingent of countries between whom war is unthinkable is growing every year. Amazing. Many empires have achieved similar results regionally, but America is the first to have done so worldwide with the actual ability to enforce it. Amazing https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/peaceful-and-hostile-relationships-between-states https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/peaceful-and-hostile-rela...
- switchbak 2y ago
  The Bretton Woods Agreement did yield a long lasting pact among Western nations and helped to provide an effective counterbalance (and then some) to the power of the USSR and allied states. The peace dividend post-Cold War improved that situation even more. Overall I think we can agree that deaths due to war post-1944 have trended down significantly. This does not mean that the USA "forced peace" upon the world. The USA has been involved with many conflicts and supported bloody dictators around the world, including: - Wars with Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, and more - Supporting corrupt regimes including such gems Pinochet, Hussein, Bin Laden, Gaddafi among MANY others - Supported destabilizing coups and (counter) revolutions, often with significant blowback (Iran, 911, etc) Overall the post-WWII context was better than the eras that preceded it. This occasionally came with a very high cost to (mostly) innocent people in far away lands. The US did not 'force peace' upon the world, it pursued its interests, and humanitarian outcome was little more than an afterthought. The death toll in Vietnam and Iraq alone show this rather directly.

anon291 2y ago

That's because the data is pretty much unequivocal about casualties due to war. War used to be the common state of the world in most countries. Now? The contingent of countries between whom war is unthinkable is growing every year. Amazing. Many empires have achieved similar results regionally, but America is the first to have done so worldwide with the actual ability to enforce it. Amazing https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/peaceful-and-hostile-relationships-between-states https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/peaceful-and-hostile-rela...

switchbak 2y ago
The Bretton Woods Agreement did yield a long lasting pact among Western nations and helped to provide an effective counterbalance (and then some) to the power of the USSR and allied states. The peace dividend post-Cold War improved that situation even more. Overall I think we can agree that deaths due to war post-1944 have trended down significantly. This does not mean that the USA "forced peace" upon the world. The USA has been involved with many conflicts and supported bloody dictators around the world, including: - Wars with Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Cuba, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Grenada, Libya, and more - Supporting corrupt regimes including such gems Pinochet, Hussein, Bin Laden, Gaddafi among MANY others - Supported destabilizing coups and (counter) revolutions, often with significant blowback (Iran, 911, etc) Overall the post-WWII context was better than the eras that preceded it. This occasionally came with a very high cost to (mostly) innocent people in far away lands. The US did not 'force peace' upon the world, it pursued its interests, and humanitarian outcome was little more than an afterthought. The death toll in Vietnam and Iraq alone show this rather directly.