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Oh, that's back? I thought that died with the "V2V" scheme, which was used as a justification for 5G cellular. The document [1] comes across as a solution looki
by Animats 2y ago
Oh, that's back? I thought that died with the "V2V" scheme, which was used as a justification for 5G cellular. The document [1] comes across as a solution looking for a problem. Like much of IoT.
Waymo cars do not have, or need, a vehicle to vehicle communication system. They talk to their HQ, but that's not part of the main control loops. Most of the problems Waymos have to avoid don't communicate much, if at all. Traffic cones, pedestrians, bicyclists, and people in wheelchairs have to be sensed directly. Once you have the sensing to do that, large vehicles should not be a problem. (Yes, Tesla has had trouble sensing fire trucks, semis, etc., but that's a Tesla problem)
It doesn't seem to be necessary that traffic lights and signs broadcast their status to vehicles. It's not something Waymo has asked for.
So what is this "V2X" thing supposed to be for? Surveillance, probably.
[1] https://www.its.dot.gov/research_areas/emerging_tech/pdf/Accelerate_V2X_Deployment_final.pdf https://www.its.dot.gov/research_areas/emerging_tech/pdf/Acc...
- canadianfella 2y ago[dead]
- ghssds 2y ago> V2X enables vehicles to stay in touch with each other as well as pedestrians, cyclists, other road users and roadside infrastructure. I understand this as traffic cones, pedestrians, bicyclists, and people in wheelchairs being V2X-enabled too, somehow.
- falcor84 2y agoOh, that sounds dystopian - "Ma'am, I'm sorry to inform you that your husband was fatally hit by a car as he attempted to cross the street without his government-mandated V2X tracker; as you are aware, by doing so he triggered the suicide exclusion clause in his insurance policy and forfeited his eligibility"
- TomK32 2y agoAll just because he once signed up for a Disney+ trial.
- carlmr 2y agoI really like how in German law anything that could be regarded as surprising in a ToS is just thrown out.
- TomK32 2y agoI'm pretty sure you can also find that in some EU regulation.
- carlmr 2y agoYes, Germany introduced them in 1976 and the EU based their regulation (Directive 93/13) on it in 1993.
- immibis 2y agoNot a universal principle in Germany though. Today I was awoken by government thugs breaking into my room and telling me that even though I paid my rent, someone else didn't pay theirs so I'm homeless now (collective punishment). If only I was joking. I refused to leave, so they called more government thugs (i.e. the police) to help them drag me out, but the police told them they have to give people three weeks notice before making them homeless so fuck off.
- carlmr 2y agoI'm sorry to hear that. Was this part of your rental agreement? If so WTF? If not what was the reasoning?
- jerf 2y agoNominally that is the case in US law too. Contracts can not have "unconscionable" clauses in them, and certainly a free trial for a streaming service that you never even paid for several years ago affecting an interaction with an amusement park is insane. But common law (a term of art, not just an adjective stuck to a noun) has a lot of inconvenient principles in it that limit the power of the government, and as the rule of man progresses in the US, this becomes increasingly hypothetical.
- Piskvorrr 2y agoRIP Elaine Herzberg. Somehow, as in handwave: "Unless everything is equipped with a correctly working, charged and network-connected tracker, it has no business being on a road." Well good luck with that, outside of a fully instrumented testing area. Well, there's a less compassionate reading of this, too: "wasn't tracked, therefore not our problem, sincerely: vendors, insurance companies, et al."
- numpad0 2y agoYep, that's why V2X never took off. Everything has to have radio tags, and failed tags could easily cause deaths and catastrophic failures. No way that scales or even works at limited scale. Lots of metro trains systems use a lunchbox sized wireless tags placed strategically in stations for redundant safety and precision braking control. Said train systems also goes down daily for rather extensive maintenance(cost justified by scale). Few people knows what oils for cars is. No way they can readily transition into verifying electronic tag signal integrity reports for every individual traffic cones in the shed.
- TomK32 2y agoCyclist here, I only communicate with motorists by means of rude hand gestures... V2V should still help to avoid phantom traffic jams, but really I wish all that tech in cars could block motorists from overtaking cyclist without a safe distance to the cyclist or when they actually want to take a turn with their car that would cross the cyclists path going straight ahead.
- wiredfool 2y agoI have to keep reminding myself to use the 5 finger wave instead of 1. But they didn’t signal, they came from nowhere, blah blah. There’s only one hand sign drivers recognize.
- TomK32 2y agoTake more space if you need it for whatever reason is what I recommend to other cyclists. Dooring is a big issue, and motorists overtaking in blind corners, narrow steets or when you want to turn left. See the marks on the road where the outer tyre of vehicles leave there mark? That's the line a cyclist should ride on.
- lupusreal 2y agoWhen I ride my bike on the street, I exercise an abundance of caution and assume all cars are out to kill me (through negligence if not outright malice.). But some cyclists seem to have another mentality, where if they merely do as they're supposed to while exercising their rights then they are personally in the clear. Why should I avoid that busy multi-lane road, I have as much right to it as the cars. They're the ones that suck. True in the legal sense, but being in the right won't unsquish me.
- TomK32 2y agoMotorists will try to squish through if you give them just a little too much space. Please do no cycle with just a foot of space towards the side of the road as this is always an invitation for motorists to overtake when it's not safe.