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Murder is wrong. War is wrong.

by marxisttemp 2y ago

jojobas 2y ago
Let's all surrender to Xi and Putin then.
boxed 2y ago
Self defense is right and necessary. Or at the very least, the best we can hope for.
throwaway48540 2y ago
Weapons prevent murder and war. War happens only when one side has an advantage over the opponent.
egorfine 2y ago
As a Ukrainian, I cannot agree with you more. I agree with you on all levels, down to a cellular. So please please please produce those cruise missiles and make the tech available to us.
- sgt 2y ago
  Not sure if the Russians on HN agree with you.
  - egorfine 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure that russians who are in favor of killing ukrainians, are not represented well enough on HN.
    - sgt 2y ago
      I've only spoken to one Russian this year, and he was honestly pretty embarrassed and ashamed. I agree with you, that's probably the representation on HN too.
      - egorfine 2y ago
        > pretty embarrassed and ashamed Well, that's a healthy reaction. I can respect that.
  - throwaway48540 2y ago
    Of course aggressors want their victims defenseless.
    - marxisttemp 2y ago
      That certainly is an apt description of Russia, China, Israel and the USA.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    That’s a very small subsection that thinks genociding Ukraine is a good idea. The other 99.5% are not I would be willing to offer up as a certainty.
BobbyJo 2y ago
Yes, and the best preventative is making it too costly for the violent to stomach.
squidbeak 2y ago
I fully agree. But sometimes war comes to you, and if you're unprepared for it, you're the one getting murdered.
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  Which could be your choice to make, if it were just you. But it's not. It's also other people around you getting murdered - people that you have some responsibility for, if you're in a position of authority.
- marxisttemp 2y ago
  When was the last time war came to the US? And how many times have we brought war to other countries since then?
  - squidbeak 2y ago
    Are you arguing that the USA's foreign adventures mean it should give up defence planning?
    - marxisttemp 2y ago
      I’m arguing that it’s disingenuous to pretend that missiles are only made for defense and not offense.
agapon 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdV0AdgjPgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdV0AdgjPgo
- marxisttemp 2y ago
  Go work for a defense contractor then, Mr. Righteous Slaughter

Murder is wrong. War is wrong.

jojobas 2y ago

Let's all surrender to Xi and Putin then.

boxed 2y ago

Self defense is right and necessary. Or at the very least, the best we can hope for.

throwaway48540 2y ago

Weapons prevent murder and war. War happens only when one side has an advantage over the opponent.

egorfine 2y ago

As a Ukrainian, I cannot agree with you more. I agree with you on all levels, down to a cellular. So please please please produce those cruise missiles and make the tech available to us.

sgt 2y ago
Not sure if the Russians on HN agree with you.
- egorfine 2y ago
  I'm pretty sure that russians who are in favor of killing ukrainians, are not represented well enough on HN.
  - sgt 2y ago
    I've only spoken to one Russian this year, and he was honestly pretty embarrassed and ashamed. I agree with you, that's probably the representation on HN too.
    - egorfine 2y ago
      > pretty embarrassed and ashamed Well, that's a healthy reaction. I can respect that.
- throwaway48540 2y ago
  Of course aggressors want their victims defenseless.
  - marxisttemp 2y ago
    That certainly is an apt description of Russia, China, Israel and the USA.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  That’s a very small subsection that thinks genociding Ukraine is a good idea. The other 99.5% are not I would be willing to offer up as a certainty.

BobbyJo 2y ago

Yes, and the best preventative is making it too costly for the violent to stomach.

squidbeak 2y ago

I fully agree. But sometimes war comes to you, and if you're unprepared for it, you're the one getting murdered.

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
Which could be your choice to make, if it were just you. But it's not. It's also other people around you getting murdered - people that you have some responsibility for, if you're in a position of authority.
marxisttemp 2y ago
When was the last time war came to the US? And how many times have we brought war to other countries since then?
- squidbeak 2y ago
  Are you arguing that the USA's foreign adventures mean it should give up defence planning?
  - marxisttemp 2y ago
    I’m arguing that it’s disingenuous to pretend that missiles are only made for defense and not offense.

agapon 2y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdV0AdgjPgo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdV0AdgjPgo

marxisttemp 2y ago
Go work for a defense contractor then, Mr. Righteous Slaughter