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It’s crazy these individuals are forgiven.

by erikaww 2y ago

Spivak 2y ago
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- aidenn0 2y ago
  Someone with 2 previous DUIs on their record hit a car while extremely drunk, fled the scene, and ended up in a fight with a police officer who tracked them down. They still have their driver's license. There's a lot of space between where we are now and the death penalty for damaging a few plants.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
  Rubicon III was a planet in Star Trek with draconian capitol punishment laws, what does that have to do with revoking driver licenses from DUI convicts?
  - Spivak 2y ago
    Did you not watch the episode? In addition to the ethics of whether to honor what you view as an unjust law simply because it's the law it also explores a society where all crimes are unforgivable and there is no notion of "paying your debt to society." It being capital punishment is the least interesting thing about it. Taking away someone's driver's license forever is the milder version of the situation. Does it feel just for someone in their 40s to not be allowed to drive because they got a DUI in their 20s? Can someone who has a DUI really never regain full status and privilege in society? If you knew they would never drive drunk again does society still benefit from this indefinite punishment? If they are forever corrupted by their crime would it be okay to kill them if that's what we decided the punishment was?
    - david-gpu 2y ago
      > Can someone who has a DUI really never regain full status and privilege in society? So you recognize that your neighborhoods are planned so poorly that lacking a driving license relegates you to a lesser status and privilege? Why not address that car dependency, rather than letting drunks continue to drive? Because, believe it or not, there are people out there living without a driving license through no fault of their own.
      - Spivak 2y ago
        Because the justice system will be waiting until long after I'm dead for that to happen. My city is this year removing large swaths of our public transportation. If you want to work a job in the department of transportation they don't allow you to rely on public transportation to get to work. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        What cities are removing transit!?
    - barbazoo 2y ago
      Jesus, we're talking about taking away someone's *privilege* to drive a dangerous object around their fellow people after they've shown multiple times they aren't responsible enough.
      - aidenn0 2y ago
        Which can be the equivalent of preventing you from getting or maintaining a job in many places in the US. Yes, we need to fix that sad situation. No, the judges who need to decide on punishment can't change that situation.
        HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        One person suffering unemployment is better than one or multiple people suffering permanent injury or death.
        barbazoo 2y ago
        If a sex offender gets an order to stay away from schools then that also might prevent them from getting or maintaining a job in many places in the US but that's just the result of their own actions.

It’s crazy these individuals are forgiven.

Spivak 2y ago

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aidenn0 2y ago
Someone with 2 previous DUIs on their record hit a car while extremely drunk, fled the scene, and ended up in a fight with a police officer who tracked them down. They still have their driver's license. There's a lot of space between where we are now and the death penalty for damaging a few plants.
HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
Rubicon III was a planet in Star Trek with draconian capitol punishment laws, what does that have to do with revoking driver licenses from DUI convicts?
- Spivak 2y ago
  Did you not watch the episode? In addition to the ethics of whether to honor what you view as an unjust law simply because it's the law it also explores a society where all crimes are unforgivable and there is no notion of "paying your debt to society." It being capital punishment is the least interesting thing about it. Taking away someone's driver's license forever is the milder version of the situation. Does it feel just for someone in their 40s to not be allowed to drive because they got a DUI in their 20s? Can someone who has a DUI really never regain full status and privilege in society? If you knew they would never drive drunk again does society still benefit from this indefinite punishment? If they are forever corrupted by their crime would it be okay to kill them if that's what we decided the punishment was?
  - david-gpu 2y ago
    > Can someone who has a DUI really never regain full status and privilege in society? So you recognize that your neighborhoods are planned so poorly that lacking a driving license relegates you to a lesser status and privilege? Why not address that car dependency, rather than letting drunks continue to drive? Because, believe it or not, there are people out there living without a driving license through no fault of their own.
    - Spivak 2y ago
      Because the justice system will be waiting until long after I'm dead for that to happen. My city is this year removing large swaths of our public transportation. If you want to work a job in the department of transportation they don't allow you to rely on public transportation to get to work. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        What cities are removing transit!?
  - barbazoo 2y ago
    Jesus, we're talking about taking away someone's *privilege* to drive a dangerous object around their fellow people after they've shown multiple times they aren't responsible enough.
    - aidenn0 2y ago
      Which can be the equivalent of preventing you from getting or maintaining a job in many places in the US. Yes, we need to fix that sad situation. No, the judges who need to decide on punishment can't change that situation.
      - HeatrayEnjoyer 2y ago
        One person suffering unemployment is better than one or multiple people suffering permanent injury or death.
      - barbazoo 2y ago
        If a sex offender gets an order to stay away from schools then that also might prevent them from getting or maintaining a job in many places in the US but that's just the result of their own actions.