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> Cheating is widespread because there are people in those courses who aren't interested in the material I think academic cheating is partially due to Goodhart

> Cheating is widespread because there are people in those courses who aren't interested in the material I think academic cheating is partially due to Goodhart's Law. In other words, grades have become the target, and are no longer a good assessment of understanding. An easy way to get rid of cheating would be to get rid of grades. However, grades are too ingrained in our system for them to be removed any time soon. I am not saying that assessments and evaluations should be completely eradicated. I just think assessments should be more holistic. By that, I mean that assessing a student's ability should be more contingent on personalized evaluations, a pass/fail system, and should involve more apprenticeships/mentoring opportunities with those more experienced. Much like in the times of yore.

agiacalone 2y ago
> > Cheating is widespread because there are people in those courses who aren't interested in the material This is only part of the issue, IMO. Students (especially CS/Engineering students) are usually overloaded with work. I've caught otherwise motivated students cheating simply because they're stressed to perform and didn't want to fail--especially since they've usually gotten pretty far in their coursework once they get to me--and the stress got the better of them. No excuses for them (and I fail cheating/plagarism along with my Uni policy) but lack of interest isn't always the motivating factor. > I just think assessments should be more holistic I'm with you on this, but aside from the time issue which I brought up in a previous response, this has been attempted at Uni before. In the 1960s, UCSC attempted to eliminate all grading and assessments and had professors write a narrative about their students. It worked from a knowledge perspective, but was absolutely lambasted in the wider media and academic circles. https://old.reddit.com/r/UCSC/comments/wpmgax/does_anyone_know_what_happened_with_the_old/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UCSC/comments/wpmgax/does_anyone_kn...

agiacalone 2y ago

> > Cheating is widespread because there are people in those courses who aren't interested in the material This is only part of the issue, IMO. Students (especially CS/Engineering students) are usually overloaded with work. I've caught otherwise motivated students cheating simply because they're stressed to perform and didn't want to fail--especially since they've usually gotten pretty far in their coursework once they get to me--and the stress got the better of them. No excuses for them (and I fail cheating/plagarism along with my Uni policy) but lack of interest isn't always the motivating factor. > I just think assessments should be more holistic I'm with you on this, but aside from the time issue which I brought up in a previous response, this has been attempted at Uni before. In the 1960s, UCSC attempted to eliminate all grading and assessments and had professors write a narrative about their students. It worked from a knowledge perspective, but was absolutely lambasted in the wider media and academic circles. https://old.reddit.com/r/UCSC/comments/wpmgax/does_anyone_know_what_happened_with_the_old/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UCSC/comments/wpmgax/does_anyone_kn...