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Sorry but it'll happen regardless since the incentives are too strong. Imagine highway lanes in the future that only allow cars that support communication proto

by Axsuul 2y ago

Sorry but it'll happen regardless since the incentives are too strong. Imagine highway lanes in the future that only allow cars that support communication protocols – say goodbye traffic.

14 2y ago
Yes it will be called the grandma protocol. “Unfortunately you are not driving to the standards of this road and will now be pulled off the road to wait for others who can actually drive to get home. If you are experiencing an emergency please say emergency and assistance will be sent to your location. Would you like to watch some ads while you wait?”
- Axsuul 2y ago
  You don't even need to drive. As soon as you enter in the lane, the car drives for you since every car needs to be in sync.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  Holy shit I’d support this. Far too many incompetents on the road, and yes they should be required to wait for better drivers. Germany has so much better driving norms on its highways since the lack of speed limits enables those who are fast to force those who are slow to stay in the right lane where they belong.
floydnoel 2y ago
it's never gonna happen. teslas and waymos can't even implement this, as if 100 different companies are going to agree to comply. not to mention the privacy nightmare! pure nerd fantasy that ignores reality.
- Axsuul 2y ago
  There's no communication protocol standard yet, so there's nothing to implement. Once a standard is developed, every car company will be onboard.
  - floydnoel 2y ago
    that is wrong, there are communication protocol standards already. a quick google search could tell you that. https://medium.com/@wiprodigital/talking-cars-a-survey-of-pr https://medium.com/@wiprodigital/talking-cars-a-survey-of-pr... perhaps you haven't seen the xkcd about standards? i can google it for you if you need. my point was, teslas could communicate with other teslas (and waymos with other waymos) by using any proprietary technology or method they choose. and yet they don’t. they honk at each other at 4am instead.
    - Axsuul 2y ago
      The link is broken, but I can see that article is from 6 years ago. It needs to be a protocol that is developed with the purpose driving in sync with each other – perhaps it needs some sort of oracle or centralized entity that maintains the state. Teslas communicating with each other isn't using an open standard that can be used by other car companies, nor is Waymo's.
SoftTalker 2y ago
Will they ban older cars that do not support the latest protocols? Will we be forced into a 5-year upgrade cycle like we are with phones, because the manufactures stop supporting their older products?
- Axsuul 2y ago
  Yes but that's progress. You can still drive in the other lanes.
- m463 2y ago
  You know, I think the way to get these protocols in place is to offer new capabilities to cars with these systems. What if you could do 100mph with perfect congestion control in the e-lane?
  - mjevans 2y ago
    I would gladly give up my ability to drive (under normal circumstances) on the freeway if it ended the reign of terror that rubberneckers and people that don't keep right except to pass (the law in at least WA state if not where you are too). Just imagine a world where rush hour didn't mean slowdowns. Oh and also get rid of the onramp metering; it's worse than useless when traffic can't zipper and accommodate the influx of new vehicles.
  - micahdeath 2y ago
    What is an e-lane? Usually e- means e-mail or electronic.
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      I guess it's an express lane, but limited to cars that fully participate in these imaginary traffic management protocols that don't exist.
    - m463 2y ago
      It was something I made up. The rulemakers would allow your car to drive at a MUCH higher speed than allowed by "human" driving. and it would maintain the speed. The cars would perfectly merge in and out, maybe including perfect metering or buffering of cars exiting. They would drive at a specific distance from each other and speed up and slow down synchronously. oh, and don't charge for it.
forgetfreeman 2y ago
I don't understand what you mean when you say incentives? Politicians are strongly incentivized to avoid enraging their constituency. HOV lanes have ended more than one politician's career and that's as close as we've ever gotten to the kind of lane discrimination you're describing.
- Axsuul 2y ago
  As long as there's soul-sucking traffic, the public will demand solutions. Traffic has been getting worse in LA and they've already gone beyond HOV lanes. Now there's toll lanes on most of the major freeways where you can pay to bypass traffic. The next step after that will be congestion pricing just to enter the city (Metro is already studying it).
  - treyd 2y ago
    The solution to traffic is to build better, more efficient transit infrastructure that doesn't involve everyone driving their own giant metal boxes everywhere when for most trips they just don't need to.
    - Axsuul 2y ago
      Sure but you are still going to have people want to drive in their own metal boxes, like those who prefer to have their own space. And for a sprawling city like LA, it's not possible to build efficient public transit connections between each point. It's not realistic for everyone to take the train or bus.
      - treyd 2y ago
        But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc.

by Axsuul 2y ago

Sorry but it'll happen regardless since the incentives are too strong. Imagine highway lanes in the future that only allow cars that support communication protocols – say goodbye traffic.

14 2y ago

Yes it will be called the grandma protocol. “Unfortunately you are not driving to the standards of this road and will now be pulled off the road to wait for others who can actually drive to get home. If you are experiencing an emergency please say emergency and assistance will be sent to your location. Would you like to watch some ads while you wait?”

Axsuul 2y ago
You don't even need to drive. As soon as you enter in the lane, the car drives for you since every car needs to be in sync.
Der_Einzige 2y ago
Holy shit I’d support this. Far too many incompetents on the road, and yes they should be required to wait for better drivers. Germany has so much better driving norms on its highways since the lack of speed limits enables those who are fast to force those who are slow to stay in the right lane where they belong.

floydnoel 2y ago

it's never gonna happen. teslas and waymos can't even implement this, as if 100 different companies are going to agree to comply. not to mention the privacy nightmare! pure nerd fantasy that ignores reality.

Axsuul 2y ago
There's no communication protocol standard yet, so there's nothing to implement. Once a standard is developed, every car company will be onboard.
- floydnoel 2y ago
  that is wrong, there are communication protocol standards already. a quick google search could tell you that. https://medium.com/@wiprodigital/talking-cars-a-survey-of-pr https://medium.com/@wiprodigital/talking-cars-a-survey-of-pr... perhaps you haven't seen the xkcd about standards? i can google it for you if you need. my point was, teslas could communicate with other teslas (and waymos with other waymos) by using any proprietary technology or method they choose. and yet they don’t. they honk at each other at 4am instead.
  - Axsuul 2y ago
    The link is broken, but I can see that article is from 6 years ago. It needs to be a protocol that is developed with the purpose driving in sync with each other – perhaps it needs some sort of oracle or centralized entity that maintains the state. Teslas communicating with each other isn't using an open standard that can be used by other car companies, nor is Waymo's.

SoftTalker 2y ago

Will they ban older cars that do not support the latest protocols? Will we be forced into a 5-year upgrade cycle like we are with phones, because the manufactures stop supporting their older products?

Axsuul 2y ago
Yes but that's progress. You can still drive in the other lanes.
m463 2y ago
You know, I think the way to get these protocols in place is to offer new capabilities to cars with these systems. What if you could do 100mph with perfect congestion control in the e-lane?
- mjevans 2y ago
  I would gladly give up my ability to drive (under normal circumstances) on the freeway if it ended the reign of terror that rubberneckers and people that don't keep right except to pass (the law in at least WA state if not where you are too). Just imagine a world where rush hour didn't mean slowdowns. Oh and also get rid of the onramp metering; it's worse than useless when traffic can't zipper and accommodate the influx of new vehicles.
- micahdeath 2y ago
  What is an e-lane? Usually e- means e-mail or electronic.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    I guess it's an express lane, but limited to cars that fully participate in these imaginary traffic management protocols that don't exist.
  - m463 2y ago
    It was something I made up. The rulemakers would allow your car to drive at a MUCH higher speed than allowed by "human" driving. and it would maintain the speed. The cars would perfectly merge in and out, maybe including perfect metering or buffering of cars exiting. They would drive at a specific distance from each other and speed up and slow down synchronously. oh, and don't charge for it.

forgetfreeman 2y ago

I don't understand what you mean when you say incentives? Politicians are strongly incentivized to avoid enraging their constituency. HOV lanes have ended more than one politician's career and that's as close as we've ever gotten to the kind of lane discrimination you're describing.

Axsuul 2y ago
As long as there's soul-sucking traffic, the public will demand solutions. Traffic has been getting worse in LA and they've already gone beyond HOV lanes. Now there's toll lanes on most of the major freeways where you can pay to bypass traffic. The next step after that will be congestion pricing just to enter the city (Metro is already studying it).
- treyd 2y ago
  The solution to traffic is to build better, more efficient transit infrastructure that doesn't involve everyone driving their own giant metal boxes everywhere when for most trips they just don't need to.
  - Axsuul 2y ago
    Sure but you are still going to have people want to drive in their own metal boxes, like those who prefer to have their own space. And for a sprawling city like LA, it's not possible to build efficient public transit connections between each point. It's not realistic for everyone to take the train or bus.
    - treyd 2y ago
      But most people who drive metal boxes would actually take long fast metal tubes that don't have issues with traffic if they were given the opportunity to. This means all the people who really want to drive metal boxes or have to drive metal boxes don't have as much traffic. Tokyo is of comparable size to LA and they don't have these issues. LA used to have the largest streetcar network in the country but they stripped most of it out circa WWII. See also NYC, London, etc.