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Here's some good news: your license for Windows 11 is probably good for Windows 10 as well. Grab a Windows 10 install media from Microsoft and do a clean instal

Here's some good news: your license for Windows 11 is probably good for Windows 10 as well. Grab a Windows 10 install media from Microsoft and do a clean install on the drive. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10I...

jwrallie 2y ago
Still there is only one year left of support if you do that.
- graycat 2y ago
  I still get "security updates" for Windows 7 Professional and am unsure what the lack of "support" might mean for my business.
  - jborean93 2y ago
    Extended support ended in Jan 2020 and the paid ESU support ended in Jan 2023 [1]. Are you sure those updates aren't just defender/AV definition updates rather than actual OS updates? [1] - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-sec...
    - graycat 2y ago
      Perhaps: "Defender" is what I've noticed.
      - bravetraveler 2y ago
        Anti-virus definitions, not really exhaustive security maintenance. Defender is their AV. The firewall/kernel isn't included, for example How important that is, no idea! The firewall is probably passable but I generally don't know your risk profile. Applications and the rest of the system offer a lot of surface area
    - pajko 2y ago
      https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2024-08%20windows%207 https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2024-...
      - hnuser123456 2y ago
        windows embedded standard
      - yyyk 2y ago
        Odd, there are still Windows 2008 R2 patches. Why? I thought ESU year 4 ended in Jan 2024...
      - graycat 2y ago
        WOW! Looks good. Thanks!
  - _mlbt 2y ago
    You should try Start11, it gives you a classic Windows UI on modern versions of Windows that are still actively receiving security patches. https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/ https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/
    - unleaded 2y ago
      looks more like the opposite to me
    - flir 2y ago
      An error occurred during a connection to www.stardock.com. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR Error code: PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. There's an irony there somewhere. (It's probably because I disable some cipher suites).
    - philistine 2y ago
      From the people who brought you ... Sins of a Solar Empire??
      - BSDobelix 2y ago
        >Sins of a Solar Empire?? A game released 12 years ago and still gets regular patches? Completely fine with that.
        philistine 2y ago
        I know, it's just weird they make games and Windows software.
        BSDobelix 2y ago
        Like Microsoft? ;)
  - yyyk 2y ago
    0patch* is supposed to help with these old systems, but I don't have experience with it beyond hearing about it. * https://0patch.com/ https://0patch.com/
- ck2 2y ago
  Windows10 LTSC ftw, EOL 2032 https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/wiki https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/wiki
  - amaccuish 2y ago
    But their license probably doesn't cover that...
    - rustcleaner 2y ago
      There are windows licenses?!!
  - andrecarini 2y ago
    That's for the IoT variant, which is further segmented into incrementally expensive editions depending on the CPU you want to use it with. And good luck finding somewhere to buy a single license of that. And even then, there's a high chance software you use (browser, IDEs, ...) will not keep getting updates after 2025.
- ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
  W10 offers extended support for everyone as long as you pay for it. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/when-to-use-windows-10-extended-security-updates/ba-p/4102628 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/w...
graycat 2y ago
Yes, thanks. My understanding from a lot of Google/browsing is that my new HP has will a Windows Product Code in the BIOS (or UEFI) and, from that product code, will permit installing either of Windows 10 Home or Windows 11 Home. Right. Thanks for the URL. That is for "Create Windows 10 installation media" and "...download and run the media creation tool." Believe I did try that. Soooo, tried to run that "tool" on Windows 7 Professional, taking the option to create media for "another computer", but got a message that now that tool won't run on 7. So, looks like I should try running the "media creation tool" on my new HP with Windows 11. Then use that "media" just created to install 10 on the new HP. While doing that work, also create install media for Windows 11 just in case at some point would be glad to have it. Thanks.
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  I think a more ultimate "just in case" is downloading the ISO image file which is what you would need if you were going to burn a traditional Windows installation DVD-ROM. The ISO file just sits in a folder like a last resort installation backup, but it can then be used to create a fresh bootable Windows installation USB stick (or DVD) any time from then on without need to access the internet after that. Well you might want to use a program called Rufus which will more conveniently turn a Windows installation ISO into a bootable USB drive than the Media Creation Tool anyway. Plus IIRC, Rufus would run under Windows 7, but you will need to use last year's version of Rufus, look at this page of current and past versions: https://rufus.ie/downloads/ https://rufus.ie/downloads/ You will see that rufus-3.22.exe from 2023 is the newest thing that was intended to run on W7, so download that, download the W10 ISO from Microsoft, and you can then run Rufus to choose the ISO from your own filesystem that you would like to turn into a bootable USB stick. That USB stick would then be the Windows 10 installation media like you probably wanted to begin with. It also has some recovery functions and a powerful command line on its own if you need it. Really still functions this way not much different than the original W7 installation DVDs up to W11 so far.
  - password4321 2y ago
    All you need for an .ISO is fido (from rufus). But since nowadays Windows 10 is too large for a standard DVD, USB is the way (I prefer Ventoy). Not sure the best way to get 'hold of an .ISO from back in the reasonable size days. https://github.com/pbatard/Fido https://github.com/pbatard/Fido https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html

jwrallie 2y ago

Still there is only one year left of support if you do that.

graycat 2y ago
I still get "security updates" for Windows 7 Professional and am unsure what the lack of "support" might mean for my business.
- jborean93 2y ago
  Extended support ended in Jan 2020 and the paid ESU support ended in Jan 2023 [1]. Are you sure those updates aren't just defender/AV definition updates rather than actual OS updates? [1] - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/faq/extended-sec...
  - graycat 2y ago
    Perhaps: "Defender" is what I've noticed.
    - bravetraveler 2y ago
      Anti-virus definitions, not really exhaustive security maintenance. Defender is their AV. The firewall/kernel isn't included, for example How important that is, no idea! The firewall is probably passable but I generally don't know your risk profile. Applications and the rest of the system offer a lot of surface area
  - pajko 2y ago
    https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2024-08%20windows%207 https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=2024-...
    - hnuser123456 2y ago
      windows embedded standard
    - yyyk 2y ago
      Odd, there are still Windows 2008 R2 patches. Why? I thought ESU year 4 ended in Jan 2024...
    - graycat 2y ago
      WOW! Looks good. Thanks!
- _mlbt 2y ago
  You should try Start11, it gives you a classic Windows UI on modern versions of Windows that are still actively receiving security patches. https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/ https://www.stardock.com/products/start11/
  - unleaded 2y ago
    looks more like the opposite to me
  - flir 2y ago
    An error occurred during a connection to www.stardock.com. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR Error code: PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. There's an irony there somewhere. (It's probably because I disable some cipher suites).
  - philistine 2y ago
    From the people who brought you ... Sins of a Solar Empire??
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      >Sins of a Solar Empire?? A game released 12 years ago and still gets regular patches? Completely fine with that.
      - philistine 2y ago
        I know, it's just weird they make games and Windows software.
        BSDobelix 2y ago
        Like Microsoft? ;)
- yyyk 2y ago
  0patch* is supposed to help with these old systems, but I don't have experience with it beyond hearing about it. * https://0patch.com/ https://0patch.com/
ck2 2y ago
Windows10 LTSC ftw, EOL 2032 https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/wiki https://old.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/wiki
- amaccuish 2y ago
  But their license probably doesn't cover that...
  - rustcleaner 2y ago
    There are windows licenses?!!
- andrecarini 2y ago
  That's for the IoT variant, which is further segmented into incrementally expensive editions depending on the CPU you want to use it with. And good luck finding somewhere to buy a single license of that. And even then, there's a high chance software you use (browser, IDEs, ...) will not keep getting updates after 2025.
ThatMedicIsASpy 2y ago
W10 offers extended support for everyone as long as you pay for it. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/when-to-use-windows-10-extended-security-updates/ba-p/4102628 https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/w...

graycat 2y ago

Yes, thanks. My understanding from a lot of Google/browsing is that my new HP has will a Windows Product Code in the BIOS (or UEFI) and, from that product code, will permit installing either of Windows 10 Home or Windows 11 Home. Right. Thanks for the URL. That is for "Create Windows 10 installation media" and "...download and run the media creation tool." Believe I did try that. Soooo, tried to run that "tool" on Windows 7 Professional, taking the option to create media for "another computer", but got a message that now that tool won't run on 7. So, looks like I should try running the "media creation tool" on my new HP with Windows 11. Then use that "media" just created to install 10 on the new HP. While doing that work, also create install media for Windows 11 just in case at some point would be glad to have it. Thanks.

fuzzfactor 2y ago
I think a more ultimate "just in case" is downloading the ISO image file which is what you would need if you were going to burn a traditional Windows installation DVD-ROM. The ISO file just sits in a folder like a last resort installation backup, but it can then be used to create a fresh bootable Windows installation USB stick (or DVD) any time from then on without need to access the internet after that. Well you might want to use a program called Rufus which will more conveniently turn a Windows installation ISO into a bootable USB drive than the Media Creation Tool anyway. Plus IIRC, Rufus would run under Windows 7, but you will need to use last year's version of Rufus, look at this page of current and past versions: https://rufus.ie/downloads/ https://rufus.ie/downloads/ You will see that rufus-3.22.exe from 2023 is the newest thing that was intended to run on W7, so download that, download the W10 ISO from Microsoft, and you can then run Rufus to choose the ISO from your own filesystem that you would like to turn into a bootable USB stick. That USB stick would then be the Windows 10 installation media like you probably wanted to begin with. It also has some recovery functions and a powerful command line on its own if you need it. Really still functions this way not much different than the original W7 installation DVDs up to W11 so far.
- password4321 2y ago
  All you need for an .ISO is fido (from rufus). But since nowadays Windows 10 is too large for a standard DVD, USB is the way (I prefer Ventoy). Not sure the best way to get 'hold of an .ISO from back in the reasonable size days. https://github.com/pbatard/Fido https://github.com/pbatard/Fido https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html https://www.ventoy.net/en/download.html