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AI assistants just slow me down. Its a very rare case i find them actually useful. I am generally concerned by the amount of devs that seem to claim that it is

AI assistants just slow me down. Its a very rare case i find them actually useful. I am generally concerned by the amount of devs that seem to claim that it is useful. What on earth are yall accepting.

nsonha 2y ago
Did Google make you less productive when looking up about code? If it did not then I dont see how looking up with AI can be worse.
- acedTrex 2y ago
  > If it did not then I dont see how looking up with AI can be worse Looking up with AI is worse because its WRONG a lot more. Random rabbit holes, misdirection. Stuff that SOUNDS right but is not. It takes a lot of time and energy to discern the wheat from the chaff. Sure you can find misleading or outdated blogposts or forum discussions with a google search but the information is far more grounded in correctness then anything from an LLM.
  - ziml77 2y ago
    This is my experience with trying to use AI for coding tasks too. I've had back-and-forths with AI that involve me trying to get it to fix things to get a final working function, but since it doesn't actually understand the code, it fails to implement the fixes correctly. Meanwhile, the stuff you find through a traditional web search tends to either be from a blog post where someone is posting actual working code snippets, or from StackOverflow where the code tends to be untested initially but then gets comments, votes, and updates over time that help boost confidence in the code. It's far more reliable to do a web search.
    - nsonha 2y ago
      why do people pretend that google search is straight forward > the stuff you find through a traditional web search tends to either be from a blog post Is that so? Most of my hits have been stack overflow and github issues, where there are false positives, same problem to AI hallucination
      - skydhash 2y ago
        Because it is? I tend to do my queries as keywords instead as questions and I tend to get good result. But most of the time, I'm just seeking the online manual to understand how things works and what is happening, not an exact solution. It's the equivalent of using a library to write a thesis. That only requires to get familiar with the terminology of the domain, know where the best works are and how to use indexes and content tables.
  - kamaal 2y ago
    >>Sure you can find misleading or outdated blogposts or forum discussions with a google search but the information is far more grounded in correctness then anything from an LLM. This was the case only 2 - 3 months back. But the assistants all moved to GPT-4/Sonnet and the newer versions are just a whole lot better and accurate. That's the whole idea behind AI, when you do find something is wrong, the error function kicks in and the weights are tweaked to more correct values. When GPT-5 comes along it will be another whole level accurate. In fact its already close to 90% accurate for most tasks with GPT-5 you can say that number could go to 95% or so. Which is actually fairly good enough for nearly all the production work you could do. Of course in coming years, Im guessing coding without AI assistance will be somewhat similar to writing code on paper or something like that. You can still do it for fun, but you won't be any where productive at a job.
    - acedTrex 2y ago
      I use gpt4o and sonnet regularly. They are so often wrong. Just yesterday gpt4o spit out consistently incorrect tree sitter queries and refused to accept it was wrong. Its all so pointless and slowed me down compared to just reading the documentation.
- elicksaur 2y ago
  What’s the point of this argument? If the user you’re replying to has been on this site, they’ve probably seen this counterpoint before. “Aha!” They say, “I only realized my folly after the 25th time someone pointed out googling also takes time!” Maybe there’s some interesting difference in experiences that shouldn’t just be dismissed.
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  - nsonha 2y ago
    What’s the point of this argument? Maybe I have heard people bashing AI... 26 times?
SpaghettiCthulu 2y ago
I find the only "AI" I need is really just "Intellisense". Just auto complete repetitive lines or symbol names intelligently, and that doesn't even require an AI model.
owenpalmer 2y ago
I'm curious, what kind of work do you do? Does stack overflow slow you down?
- acedTrex 2y ago
  Lots of golang kubernetes work these days. Stackoverflow is used when im stuck and searching around for an answer. Its not attempting to do the work for me. At a code level I almost never copy paste from stackoverflow. I also utilize claud and 4o at the same time while attempting to solve a problem but they are rarely able to help.
  - kamaal 2y ago
    Kubernetes, AWS, Cloudformation and Terraform etc sort of work is still not good with AI. The current AI code rocket ship is VSCcode + Perl/Python/Node+ReactJS + Co-Pilot. This is basically a killer combination. Mostly because large amounts of Open source code is available out there for training models. Im guessing there will be an industry wide standardisation, and Python use will see a further mad rise. On the longer run some AI first programming language and tooling will be available which will have first class integration with the whole workflow. For now, forget about golang. Just use Python for turbo charged productivity.
    - acedTrex 2y ago
      > For now, forget about golang I write kubernetes controllers. Golang is here to stay. > Just use Python for turbo charged productivity This is my problem with all the "AI" bros. They seem to consistently push the idea that quickly writing code is the end all of "productivity" its akin to "just shovel more shit faster its great" Speed != productivity
      - kamaal 2y ago
        I have seen several rounds of this over decades. Google will make bad programmers, Perl is a write only language, Node is cancer, Eclipse is slow etc etc. Eventually you realise you just can't win against better things. These are juggernauts, fighting them is pointless. Because it doesn't matter when you use it or not. Most people will, and make great progress. You will either be out of the industry or be forced to use it one way or the other.
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swah 2y ago
Some of Cursor's features is appeals to my lazyness, say: "convert to javascript" and hit apply... For now its still a bit slow (streaming words) but when this is immediate? Not a change against the fastest Vimmer. Select code, dictate the change, review, apply - will save my wrists.

nsonha 2y ago

Did Google make you less productive when looking up about code? If it did not then I dont see how looking up with AI can be worse.

acedTrex 2y ago
> If it did not then I dont see how looking up with AI can be worse Looking up with AI is worse because its WRONG a lot more. Random rabbit holes, misdirection. Stuff that SOUNDS right but is not. It takes a lot of time and energy to discern the wheat from the chaff. Sure you can find misleading or outdated blogposts or forum discussions with a google search but the information is far more grounded in correctness then anything from an LLM.
- ziml77 2y ago
  This is my experience with trying to use AI for coding tasks too. I've had back-and-forths with AI that involve me trying to get it to fix things to get a final working function, but since it doesn't actually understand the code, it fails to implement the fixes correctly. Meanwhile, the stuff you find through a traditional web search tends to either be from a blog post where someone is posting actual working code snippets, or from StackOverflow where the code tends to be untested initially but then gets comments, votes, and updates over time that help boost confidence in the code. It's far more reliable to do a web search.
  - nsonha 2y ago
    why do people pretend that google search is straight forward > the stuff you find through a traditional web search tends to either be from a blog post Is that so? Most of my hits have been stack overflow and github issues, where there are false positives, same problem to AI hallucination
    - skydhash 2y ago
      Because it is? I tend to do my queries as keywords instead as questions and I tend to get good result. But most of the time, I'm just seeking the online manual to understand how things works and what is happening, not an exact solution. It's the equivalent of using a library to write a thesis. That only requires to get familiar with the terminology of the domain, know where the best works are and how to use indexes and content tables.
- kamaal 2y ago
  >>Sure you can find misleading or outdated blogposts or forum discussions with a google search but the information is far more grounded in correctness then anything from an LLM. This was the case only 2 - 3 months back. But the assistants all moved to GPT-4/Sonnet and the newer versions are just a whole lot better and accurate. That's the whole idea behind AI, when you do find something is wrong, the error function kicks in and the weights are tweaked to more correct values. When GPT-5 comes along it will be another whole level accurate. In fact its already close to 90% accurate for most tasks with GPT-5 you can say that number could go to 95% or so. Which is actually fairly good enough for nearly all the production work you could do. Of course in coming years, Im guessing coding without AI assistance will be somewhat similar to writing code on paper or something like that. You can still do it for fun, but you won't be any where productive at a job.
  - acedTrex 2y ago
    I use gpt4o and sonnet regularly. They are so often wrong. Just yesterday gpt4o spit out consistently incorrect tree sitter queries and refused to accept it was wrong. Its all so pointless and slowed me down compared to just reading the documentation.
elicksaur 2y ago
What’s the point of this argument? If the user you’re replying to has been on this site, they’ve probably seen this counterpoint before. “Aha!” They say, “I only realized my folly after the 25th time someone pointed out googling also takes time!” Maybe there’s some interesting difference in experiences that shouldn’t just be dismissed.
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- nsonha 2y ago
  What’s the point of this argument? Maybe I have heard people bashing AI... 26 times?

SpaghettiCthulu 2y ago

I find the only "AI" I need is really just "Intellisense". Just auto complete repetitive lines or symbol names intelligently, and that doesn't even require an AI model.

owenpalmer 2y ago

I'm curious, what kind of work do you do? Does stack overflow slow you down?

acedTrex 2y ago
Lots of golang kubernetes work these days. Stackoverflow is used when im stuck and searching around for an answer. Its not attempting to do the work for me. At a code level I almost never copy paste from stackoverflow. I also utilize claud and 4o at the same time while attempting to solve a problem but they are rarely able to help.
- kamaal 2y ago
  Kubernetes, AWS, Cloudformation and Terraform etc sort of work is still not good with AI. The current AI code rocket ship is VSCcode + Perl/Python/Node+ReactJS + Co-Pilot. This is basically a killer combination. Mostly because large amounts of Open source code is available out there for training models. Im guessing there will be an industry wide standardisation, and Python use will see a further mad rise. On the longer run some AI first programming language and tooling will be available which will have first class integration with the whole workflow. For now, forget about golang. Just use Python for turbo charged productivity.
  - acedTrex 2y ago
    > For now, forget about golang I write kubernetes controllers. Golang is here to stay. > Just use Python for turbo charged productivity This is my problem with all the "AI" bros. They seem to consistently push the idea that quickly writing code is the end all of "productivity" its akin to "just shovel more shit faster its great" Speed != productivity
    - kamaal 2y ago
      I have seen several rounds of this over decades. Google will make bad programmers, Perl is a write only language, Node is cancer, Eclipse is slow etc etc. Eventually you realise you just can't win against better things. These are juggernauts, fighting them is pointless. Because it doesn't matter when you use it or not. Most people will, and make great progress. You will either be out of the industry or be forced to use it one way or the other.

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swah 2y ago

Some of Cursor's features is appeals to my lazyness, say: "convert to javascript" and hit apply... For now its still a bit slow (streaming words) but when this is immediate? Not a change against the fastest Vimmer. Select code, dictate the change, review, apply - will save my wrists.