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I think the actual issue is that Google makes bad UX often, and not toasts in general. Toasts themselves can be done well, but like every UI and UX element, th

by dagmx 2y ago

I think the actual issue is that Google makes bad UX often, and not toasts in general. Toasts themselves can be done well, but like every UI and UX element, they need to have some thought. I know Google have some good UI (sometimes UX on Android) every now and then but they are so fractured as a company, with so much product and feature churn, that their UX is all over the place. Every single Google app reinvents how things are done or communicated. Even within an app, it’ll do things differently because different teams implemented different features in the app since sections of an app might be shared with other apps. Even Samsung offer a more cohesive experience. The most Google try and do is introduce new design guidelines every few years and then promptly have teams break them. Material design? Material You? Both barely touched UX but even with their own incredibly straight forward design rules, Google couldn’t adhere to them.

JamesSwift 2y ago
> I think the actual issue is that Google makes bad UX often, and not toasts in general. Yeah, its wild because they were the ones who introduced the pattern to the general audience. And it was so successful that others started integrating it in non-material contexts. Toast and toast + action are here to stay, and for good reason, but I think google has individuals willy-nilly making design decisions and not quite being fully aware of how these elements should be used.
throwway120385 2y ago
I completely agree. Every time I open any Google product it takes me a good 60 seconds to figure out that the hamburger menu is not where I go to create a new sheet/doc/slides. And then I have to scan around the screen for another symbol that's on the complete opposite corner of the screen and tastefully hidden away. It's very frustrating. 95% of the time when I go to sheets.google.com I go there to create a sheet, and their information hierarchy prioritizes looking at existing sheets, then navigating to another product, and then everything else, and then finally creating a document.

by dagmx 2y ago

JamesSwift 2y ago

> I think the actual issue is that Google makes bad UX often, and not toasts in general. Yeah, its wild because they were the ones who introduced the pattern to the general audience. And it was so successful that others started integrating it in non-material contexts. Toast and toast + action are here to stay, and for good reason, but I think google has individuals willy-nilly making design decisions and not quite being fully aware of how these elements should be used.

throwway120385 2y ago

I completely agree. Every time I open any Google product it takes me a good 60 seconds to figure out that the hamburger menu is not where I go to create a new sheet/doc/slides. And then I have to scan around the screen for another symbol that's on the complete opposite corner of the screen and tastefully hidden away. It's very frustrating. 95% of the time when I go to sheets.google.com I go there to create a sheet, and their information hierarchy prioritizes looking at existing sheets, then navigating to another product, and then everything else, and then finally creating a document.