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I disagree on that—in the YouTube example specifically this isn't necessarily a problem, but the toast serves a valuable purpose in the archive in that it tells
by lolinder 2y ago
I disagree on that—in the YouTube example specifically this isn't necessarily a problem, but the toast serves a valuable purpose in the archive in that it tells you again which button it was that you pressed. There have been countless times in cases like that where the toast has saved me and allowed me to undo a misclick.
I can see the argument that there are certain places where people use toasts that are unnecessary and provide information that the user doesn't need. But that's not the same thing as toasts being bad UX in the general case.
- hombre_fatal 2y agoToasts also give you a good place to put other shortcuts like “Item updated. [View item]” that make it much easier to act on state changes, like navigate to sensible places to view / react to those changes.
- datavirtue 2y agoAll of that is inacessible.
- lolinder 2y agoHow so?
- jdiff 2y agoScreen reader's probably not going to catch a transient element unless you just happen to stumble across it within that narrow window. Slow reader for whatever reason? Hope you don't take too long, or hope that toast wasn't actually important/actionable for you.
- jkaptur 2y agoThe spec has an answer for the "transient element" issue: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA/ARIA_Live_Regions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/A.... Of course, this doesn't eliminate the possibility of bad UX.
- CRConrad 2y ago> Toasts also give you a good place to put other shortcuts like “Item updated. [View item]” that make it much easier to act on state changes Not if they go away, and take their “[View item]” button with them, before you've had time to read the notification, decide if you want to click the button, and actually get your cursor there to click it. Which they usually do. So nyaaah, dubious benefit.
- lolinder 2y agoSo there are badly implemented toasts that have bad UX. That's not the same thing as the whole concept being bad.
- exmadscientist 2y agoIf something is so hard to implement that everyone who tries gets it wrong (to a first approximation), then maybe the concept is bad. Or, at least, the concept isn't fully baked and is missing something critical.
- lolinder 2y agoMost implementations of toasts-with-actions that I've seen don't have the problem OP described. I more often find myself manually dismissing them than wishing they'd have stuck around longer.
- TRiG_Ireland 2y agoSo because you are a fast reader and have a fast reaction time with your mouse, toasts are good for everyone? No.
- michaelmrose 2y agoShould complex websites have a notification center where you can look at prior notifications? Would this be alike enough to existing desktop metaphors to be easily recognizable or simply confusing. Maybe your browser should could have an icon for same instead making it more standardized across different sites.