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What makes it ethically sourced? Both this and the original was taken with consent. Is it that noone will get horny from this new one? Because in that case I ha

by tokai 2y ago

What makes it ethically sourced? Both this and the original was taken with consent. Is it that noone will get horny from this new one? Because in that case I have bad news, some people love round bearded men. But seriously, I don't understand how this is better than the original. They have the same issues.

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lsb 2y ago
The model rescinded her consent to be used as a technical benchmark photo, a while ago
- geraldwhen 2y ago
  That’s not how that works. Internet history should not be destroyed because of prudism gained in old age.
  - sillysaurusx 2y ago
    Conversely, there’s nothing wrong with respecting someone’s choice. I was going to write “No one’s stopping you from using Lenna,” but admittedly if you tried to submit a paper with it, you’d face a stiff headwind. I don’t think that’s her fault though.
  - speedgoose 2y ago
    We can also be nice.
  - lsb 2y ago
    The history is still there, in archives, and modern usage is what we’re talking about
TiredOfLife 2y ago
No copyright infringement.
telesilla 2y ago
The original, which is for sure a lovely photo, is difficult because the image exists for a purpose which isolates, and simultaneously draws attention to, certain demographics. I recommended checking out Berger's series Ways of Seeing, which explains it a lot better than I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing I'm sure Lena could say she had the photo taken for herself and her own enjoyment of her beauty, however it was paid for by by a men's magazine so self-appreciation probably not what she or the photographer had in mind. "Berger asserts that only twenty or thirty nudes in the European oil painting tradition depict a woman as herself rather than as a subject of male idealisation or desire."
- benterix 2y ago
  > "Berger asserts that only twenty or thirty nudes in the European oil painting tradition depict a woman as herself rather than as a subject of male idealisation or desire." I fully agree. Now, could you explain what is the problem with that?
  - archagon 2y ago
    If you care to do some reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze
    - benterix 2y ago
      I started reading but there is a lot of content with little substance and repeated phrases, with some debatable opinions like "because the woman does not have a penis, her female presence provokes sexual insecurity in the unconscious of the male, wherein women are passive recipients of male objectification." Could you point out what is actually wrong with one person being attracted by another person?

by tokai 2y ago

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lsb 2y ago

The model rescinded her consent to be used as a technical benchmark photo, a while ago

geraldwhen 2y ago
That’s not how that works. Internet history should not be destroyed because of prudism gained in old age.
- sillysaurusx 2y ago
  Conversely, there’s nothing wrong with respecting someone’s choice. I was going to write “No one’s stopping you from using Lenna,” but admittedly if you tried to submit a paper with it, you’d face a stiff headwind. I don’t think that’s her fault though.
- speedgoose 2y ago
  We can also be nice.
- lsb 2y ago
  The history is still there, in archives, and modern usage is what we’re talking about

TiredOfLife 2y ago

No copyright infringement.

telesilla 2y ago

The original, which is for sure a lovely photo, is difficult because the image exists for a purpose which isolates, and simultaneously draws attention to, certain demographics. I recommended checking out Berger's series Ways of Seeing, which explains it a lot better than I can. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ways_of_Seeing I'm sure Lena could say she had the photo taken for herself and her own enjoyment of her beauty, however it was paid for by by a men's magazine so self-appreciation probably not what she or the photographer had in mind. "Berger asserts that only twenty or thirty nudes in the European oil painting tradition depict a woman as herself rather than as a subject of male idealisation or desire."

benterix 2y ago
> "Berger asserts that only twenty or thirty nudes in the European oil painting tradition depict a woman as herself rather than as a subject of male idealisation or desire." I fully agree. Now, could you explain what is the problem with that?
- archagon 2y ago
  If you care to do some reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_gaze
  - benterix 2y ago
    I started reading but there is a lot of content with little substance and repeated phrases, with some debatable opinions like "because the woman does not have a penis, her female presence provokes sexual insecurity in the unconscious of the male, wherein women are passive recipients of male objectification." Could you point out what is actually wrong with one person being attracted by another person?