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How long will it be until Google, instead of understanding people are looking for a different search by using udm=14, will close the option with some mambo-jumb

How long will it be until Google, instead of understanding people are looking for a different search by using udm=14, will close the option with some mambo-jumbo excuse?

teekert 2y ago
Why not just use options that actually respect you as a human being (like DDG and FireFox) you product! ;)
- neonsunset 2y ago
  Safari does respect you, it's a pretty well-behaved browser. Pre-chromium Edge was similar in many ways (and had zero bloat), I'm still sad it got killed. Much like UWP OneNote, it had great design, proper scroll integration with touch input and used native UI components. Not anymore.
  - elashri 2y ago
    > Safari does respect you It does not respect my desire to change the search engine to something other than the very few on this list. I have to use an extension which redirect all calls to this engine to my engine of choice.
    - ninkendo 2y ago
      Agreed that sucks. But man, looking at the competition… I tried using Edge on windows for a while, and every. Single. Time I install any windows update whatsoever, it resets my search engine to Bing. It says something like “your search engine may have been inadvertently changed, so we changed it to Bing for your protection” or something horrible. (I use Kagi, installed from an extension.) It’s very obvious to me that the only reason Edge exists at all is so MS can steer everyone towards Bing. It solves a Microsoft problem, not a user problem (it’s not even their code base, they just de-googled chrome, added a different theme to it and use it to force Bing on you.) Safari may require an extension but at least it doesn’t repeatedly change the search engine back the moment you turn around.
      - lxgr 2y ago
        Why settle for “at least it’s not Edge” though, when there are even better alternatives? Not being able to pick my own search engine is just such a shameless money grab by Apple.
        neonsunset 2y ago
        Pleas re-read the discussion, you’ll notice that there is a search engine choice, and the problem is that the list is pre-defined and is fixed by an extension - something that Google is continuously working on restricting. It has DuckDuckGo so it’s good enough. Most importantly, it works better than Firefox and is not Chromium-based.
        lxgr 2y ago
        > you’ll notice that there is a search engine choice, and the problem is that the list is pre-defined and is fixed by an extension I'm aware of that. The extension "fix" is a brittle hack, and it's a shame that it's necessary. > It has DuckDuckGo so it’s good enough. Good enough for you, not for everybody. There are more search engines than Google, Bing, and DDG.
jsnell 2y ago
It's an undocumented and reverse-engineered implementation detail. They don't need an excuse to change or remove it.
- Jenk 2y ago
  I sense you have either missed the point, or are using sarcasm, but I cannot tell which through the medium of text.

How long will it be until Google, instead of understanding people are looking for a different search by using udm=14, will close the option with some mambo-jumbo excuse?

teekert 2y ago

Why not just use options that actually respect you as a human being (like DDG and FireFox) you product! ;)

neonsunset 2y ago
Safari does respect you, it's a pretty well-behaved browser. Pre-chromium Edge was similar in many ways (and had zero bloat), I'm still sad it got killed. Much like UWP OneNote, it had great design, proper scroll integration with touch input and used native UI components. Not anymore.
- elashri 2y ago
  > Safari does respect you It does not respect my desire to change the search engine to something other than the very few on this list. I have to use an extension which redirect all calls to this engine to my engine of choice.
  - ninkendo 2y ago
    Agreed that sucks. But man, looking at the competition… I tried using Edge on windows for a while, and every. Single. Time I install any windows update whatsoever, it resets my search engine to Bing. It says something like “your search engine may have been inadvertently changed, so we changed it to Bing for your protection” or something horrible. (I use Kagi, installed from an extension.) It’s very obvious to me that the only reason Edge exists at all is so MS can steer everyone towards Bing. It solves a Microsoft problem, not a user problem (it’s not even their code base, they just de-googled chrome, added a different theme to it and use it to force Bing on you.) Safari may require an extension but at least it doesn’t repeatedly change the search engine back the moment you turn around.
    - lxgr 2y ago
      Why settle for “at least it’s not Edge” though, when there are even better alternatives? Not being able to pick my own search engine is just such a shameless money grab by Apple.
      - neonsunset 2y ago
        Pleas re-read the discussion, you’ll notice that there is a search engine choice, and the problem is that the list is pre-defined and is fixed by an extension - something that Google is continuously working on restricting. It has DuckDuckGo so it’s good enough. Most importantly, it works better than Firefox and is not Chromium-based.
        lxgr 2y ago
        > you’ll notice that there is a search engine choice, and the problem is that the list is pre-defined and is fixed by an extension I'm aware of that. The extension "fix" is a brittle hack, and it's a shame that it's necessary. > It has DuckDuckGo so it’s good enough. Good enough for you, not for everybody. There are more search engines than Google, Bing, and DDG.

jsnell 2y ago

It's an undocumented and reverse-engineered implementation detail. They don't need an excuse to change or remove it.

Jenk 2y ago
I sense you have either missed the point, or are using sarcasm, but I cannot tell which through the medium of text.