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It's a fun conspiracy that both co-defendants died within a day or two of eachother, but how the hell would the conspirators have sank a yacht this way? "It san

by aqme28 2y ago

It's a fun conspiracy that both co-defendants died within a day or two of eachother, but how the hell would the conspirators have sank a yacht this way? "It sank quickly after being hit by a waterspout at 4:30 a.m. during a storm that broke the mainmast, possibly unbalancing and capsizing the yacht."

lifestyleguru 2y ago
Don't underestimate the capabilities of Sicilian organized crime especially on their own territory. I guess a spacious penthouse in New York could easily stir a tiny local tornado nearby Sicily.
trhway 2y ago
If you already "prepared" the yacht - say bought the cooperation of some member of the crew or planted some device or, that being a modern yacht, hacked something on it - that would have been a great time to trigger it. The yacht was a sitting duck on that anchorage. I really was surprised that such a yacht went down that way, especially given that ships nearby were just fine. Now, with that guy in England dying the way Russian oppositioners die there, my surprise got resolved. And remembering how those EBay execs went after those people only for bad reviews, one can imagine what the people like this can do when it comes to real money. And the scale of the money involved here can buy impressively "accidental" accidents.
- nexus6 2y ago
  The yacht had the 2nd tallest mast (tallest aluminium mast). The tornado/waterspout snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. It sank quickly after that. Not that out of the ordinary. There was another waterspout photographed in Italy that same day; they’re not that uncommon.
  - rightbyte 2y ago
    > snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. It sank quickly after that. Hardly. The weight of the mast is bogger all compared to the keel. You are supposed to have sails in those which give a perpendicular force to the mast.
  - trhway 2y ago
    >snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. that sounds strange for a sailboat designed to keel a lot. And the unbroken mast has higher leverage, yet the boat keels without capsizing. And capsizing is usually not that great an issue too.
    - foldr 2y ago
      Lots of independent sources suggest that the mast can increase resistance to capsizing and that losing a mast can make a boat more prone to capsizing. https://www.morganscloud.com/2008/08/01/sailboat-stability-contradiction/ https://www.morganscloud.com/2008/08/01/sailboat-stability-c... Overall, the topic of sailboat stability is complex enough that books have been written on the subject: https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=o3edvBByudgC&oi=fnd&pg=PT16&dq=mast+boat+stability&ots=yrntbIXUzs&sig=_Aam8GHL_P_q3_nTh1IVlLvf5pM&redir_esc=y#v=onepage https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=o3edvBByudgC&o... I would not dive into conspiracy theories on the basis of whatever back-of-an-envelope intuitions you might have here.
      - foldr 2y ago
        Also here: https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f55/can-a-mast-be-too-tall-266680.html https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f55/can-a-mast-be-too-t... >Counterintuitively [a boat with a tall mast] will be be more capsize resistant, capsize is a dynamic phenomenon and increase mast height provides a vastly disproportionate increase in roll moment of inertia which resists capsize. Stability is a static phenomenon even when the boat is moving thru the water and provides little if any resistance to capsize.
    - katzinsky 2y ago
      As someone with a sailboat who sails just about every week (since I live on it and have to keep moving) I'm also having a pretty hard time understanding this one. In high winds removing the mast should make it less prone to capsizing just like reefing would. EDIT: Oh I see they're thinking it's the waves not the wind.
gpderetta 2y ago
obviously they got hold of HARP weather control!
iamacyborg 2y ago
Weather seeding is still a conspiracy theory, right?
blitzar 2y ago
If I Did It ... would be Wile E. Coyote style. Half saw the keel off and let a storm, major or minor finish off the job.
itbeho 2y ago
Are there any pics or videos of said water spout?
hilux 2y ago
"sunk"

by aqme28 2y ago

lifestyleguru 2y ago

Don't underestimate the capabilities of Sicilian organized crime especially on their own territory. I guess a spacious penthouse in New York could easily stir a tiny local tornado nearby Sicily.

trhway 2y ago

If you already "prepared" the yacht - say bought the cooperation of some member of the crew or planted some device or, that being a modern yacht, hacked something on it - that would have been a great time to trigger it. The yacht was a sitting duck on that anchorage. I really was surprised that such a yacht went down that way, especially given that ships nearby were just fine. Now, with that guy in England dying the way Russian oppositioners die there, my surprise got resolved. And remembering how those EBay execs went after those people only for bad reviews, one can imagine what the people like this can do when it comes to real money. And the scale of the money involved here can buy impressively "accidental" accidents.

nexus6 2y ago
The yacht had the 2nd tallest mast (tallest aluminium mast). The tornado/waterspout snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. It sank quickly after that. Not that out of the ordinary. There was another waterspout photographed in Italy that same day; they’re not that uncommon.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  > snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. It sank quickly after that. Hardly. The weight of the mast is bogger all compared to the keel. You are supposed to have sails in those which give a perpendicular force to the mast.
- trhway 2y ago
  >snapped the mast, which made the ship unbalanced and capsize. that sounds strange for a sailboat designed to keel a lot. And the unbroken mast has higher leverage, yet the boat keels without capsizing. And capsizing is usually not that great an issue too.
  - foldr 2y ago
    Lots of independent sources suggest that the mast can increase resistance to capsizing and that losing a mast can make a boat more prone to capsizing. https://www.morganscloud.com/2008/08/01/sailboat-stability-contradiction/ https://www.morganscloud.com/2008/08/01/sailboat-stability-c... Overall, the topic of sailboat stability is complex enough that books have been written on the subject: https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=o3edvBByudgC&oi=fnd&pg=PT16&dq=mast+boat+stability&ots=yrntbIXUzs&sig=_Aam8GHL_P_q3_nTh1IVlLvf5pM&redir_esc=y#v=onepage https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=o3edvBByudgC&o... I would not dive into conspiracy theories on the basis of whatever back-of-an-envelope intuitions you might have here.
    - foldr 2y ago
      Also here: https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f55/can-a-mast-be-too-tall-266680.html https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f55/can-a-mast-be-too-t... >Counterintuitively [a boat with a tall mast] will be be more capsize resistant, capsize is a dynamic phenomenon and increase mast height provides a vastly disproportionate increase in roll moment of inertia which resists capsize. Stability is a static phenomenon even when the boat is moving thru the water and provides little if any resistance to capsize.
  - katzinsky 2y ago
    As someone with a sailboat who sails just about every week (since I live on it and have to keep moving) I'm also having a pretty hard time understanding this one. In high winds removing the mast should make it less prone to capsizing just like reefing would. EDIT: Oh I see they're thinking it's the waves not the wind.

gpderetta 2y ago

obviously they got hold of HARP weather control!

iamacyborg 2y ago

Weather seeding is still a conspiracy theory, right?

blitzar 2y ago

If I Did It ... would be Wile E. Coyote style. Half saw the keel off and let a storm, major or minor finish off the job.

itbeho 2y ago

Are there any pics or videos of said water spout?

hilux 2y ago

"sunk"