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>ISP tollkeeper ISPs are terrifying organisations I wouldnt wish this system on the world. Everything else you said makes sense.

Ylpertnodi 2y ago
>ISPs are terrifying organisations Could you explain why?
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  At least in the US, most: 1. Are monopolies. 2. Don't care if you live or die. 3. Have a long sordid history of despicable practices, including price gouging, rampant upselling, shoddy customer service, manipulating search and Web results, selling customer browsing history or patterns, and worse. 4. Are typically at or near the top of lists of companies / industry sectors with which the public trusts least and hates most. They have enormous power over individuals, collect absolute gobs of data, and act capriciously, carelessly, and overwhelmingly against their subscribers' personal interests with it.
- protocolture 2y ago
  Mostly because they see themselves as invisible, have basically no security posture, and are often either operated by the owner, or by a bunch of foreign tech support goons who have unlimited access to your data.
dredmorbius 2y ago
I'm not suggesting this out of any sense that they are good-faith participants in society or even commercial space. They are however the one point of authenticated and payment-based contact between all Internet users and the greater cloud. So if there's going to be some form of payment, it's highly likely to come either from the ISP or some collection of government-imposed fees or taxes. The latter could come at multiple levels, e.g., a city, county, state, or federal levy.
- protocolture 2y ago
  >They are however the one point of authenticated and payment-based contact between all Internet users and the greater cloud. Yeah but we need to diminish their contact with authentication and payments. They have little to no understanding of security. Like you might be thinking "Oh just have comcast do this" and they could probably cobble something together with only a massive data breach once in every 5 years. But think about all the guys in the sticks dealing with Joe Blogs Wisporium or Texas Petes flying internoobs. These solo operators often cant work out telephony or iptv. Having them middleman payments for an extra tax or service is a huge extra risk. I am not even super comfortable with them holding PII or Credity cards as it stands.

Ylpertnodi 2y ago

>ISPs are terrifying organisations Could you explain why?

dredmorbius 2y ago
At least in the US, most: 1. Are monopolies. 2. Don't care if you live or die. 3. Have a long sordid history of despicable practices, including price gouging, rampant upselling, shoddy customer service, manipulating search and Web results, selling customer browsing history or patterns, and worse. 4. Are typically at or near the top of lists of companies / industry sectors with which the public trusts least and hates most. They have enormous power over individuals, collect absolute gobs of data, and act capriciously, carelessly, and overwhelmingly against their subscribers' personal interests with it.
protocolture 2y ago
Mostly because they see themselves as invisible, have basically no security posture, and are often either operated by the owner, or by a bunch of foreign tech support goons who have unlimited access to your data.

dredmorbius 2y ago

I'm not suggesting this out of any sense that they are good-faith participants in society or even commercial space. They are however the one point of authenticated and payment-based contact between all Internet users and the greater cloud. So if there's going to be some form of payment, it's highly likely to come either from the ISP or some collection of government-imposed fees or taxes. The latter could come at multiple levels, e.g., a city, county, state, or federal levy.

protocolture 2y ago
>They are however the one point of authenticated and payment-based contact between all Internet users and the greater cloud. Yeah but we need to diminish their contact with authentication and payments. They have little to no understanding of security. Like you might be thinking "Oh just have comcast do this" and they could probably cobble something together with only a massive data breach once in every 5 years. But think about all the guys in the sticks dealing with Joe Blogs Wisporium or Texas Petes flying internoobs. These solo operators often cant work out telephony or iptv. Having them middleman payments for an extra tax or service is a huge extra risk. I am not even super comfortable with them holding PII or Credity cards as it stands.