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Well he gave you a list of credentials of why you should believe him. Isn’t that enough ?

phito 2y ago
No. Stating credentials proves nothing at all. Even less so on the internet. edit: oh sorry I didn't get that it was sarcasm
dartos 2y ago
> I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness This has to do with ML and numerical computing, how?
- bamboozled 2y ago
  Well I was being sarcastic. I really dislike it when people have to first convince you that you should trust them. Either make a good argument or don’t.
  - lemarchr 2y ago
    Argument from authority is a pernicious fallacy, and typically effective too. You were right to call it out. I must admit I overlooked the sarcasm, however.
    - lelanthran 2y ago
      > I must admit I overlooked the sarcasm, however. Don't feel too bad; until I read the next response I was in two minds about whether sarcasm was intended or not. It's bloody hard to tell, sometimes :-/
      - carlmr 2y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
      - librasteve 2y ago
        it can be for some
  - carlmr 2y ago
    If people say "believe me" at the end of every second sentence you should doubt them. Not thinking of anyone in particular.
  - dartos 2y ago
    Oh, I was bamboozled.
  - mmooss 2y ago
    > I really dislike it when people have to first convince you that you should trust them. > Either make a good argument or don’t. Human beings can't evaulate the truth of things based only on the argument. Persuasive liars, cons, and incompetents are a very known phenomenon. Most of human history we misunderstood nature and many other things because we relied on 'good arguments'. Not that we need it, but research shows that human intuition about the truth of something isn't good without expertise. When I need medical advice, I get it from someone who has convinced me that they have expertise; I don't look for 'good arguments' that persuade me, because I don't know what I'm talking about. I have expertise in other things. In those fields, I could easily persuade people without it of just about anything. (I don't; I'm not a sociopath.) I imagine anyone with professional expertise who reads this can do the same.
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meroes 2y ago
Let’s poll RLHF workers since they actually see the tech the most.

No. Stating credentials proves nothing at all. Even less so on the internet. edit: oh sorry I didn't get that it was sarcasm

dartos 2y ago

> I've trained as a neuroscientist and written a book about consciousness This has to do with ML and numerical computing, how?

bamboozled 2y ago
Well I was being sarcastic. I really dislike it when people have to first convince you that you should trust them. Either make a good argument or don’t.
- lemarchr 2y ago
  Argument from authority is a pernicious fallacy, and typically effective too. You were right to call it out. I must admit I overlooked the sarcasm, however.
  - lelanthran 2y ago
    > I must admit I overlooked the sarcasm, however. Don't feel too bad; until I read the next response I was in two minds about whether sarcasm was intended or not. It's bloody hard to tell, sometimes :-/
    - carlmr 2y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
    - librasteve 2y ago
      it can be for some
- carlmr 2y ago
  If people say "believe me" at the end of every second sentence you should doubt them. Not thinking of anyone in particular.
- dartos 2y ago
  Oh, I was bamboozled.
- mmooss 2y ago
  > I really dislike it when people have to first convince you that you should trust them. > Either make a good argument or don’t. Human beings can't evaulate the truth of things based only on the argument. Persuasive liars, cons, and incompetents are a very known phenomenon. Most of human history we misunderstood nature and many other things because we relied on 'good arguments'. Not that we need it, but research shows that human intuition about the truth of something isn't good without expertise. When I need medical advice, I get it from someone who has convinced me that they have expertise; I don't look for 'good arguments' that persuade me, because I don't know what I'm talking about. I have expertise in other things. In those fields, I could easily persuade people without it of just about anything. (I don't; I'm not a sociopath.) I imagine anyone with professional expertise who reads this can do the same.

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meroes 2y ago

Let’s poll RLHF workers since they actually see the tech the most.