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> The moves come two months after former Apple Inc. executives David Richardson and Baris Cetinok were promoted to senior vice president roles in the group I w

> The moves come two months after former Apple Inc. executives David Richardson and Baris Cetinok were promoted to senior vice president roles in the group I wonder if they're doing this to just move the jobs to the Bay Area.

hipadev23 2y ago
They're laying off engineers in Michigan and overseas to move jobs to the Bay Area? You're going to have to connect the dots for me on this one.
- fma 2y ago
  Connect the dots as in why it makes sense? Or provide evidence? I can't tell you why it would make sense to the executives, but below are job searches for keyword software. You can yada yada and say maybe it's fake postings in which case I'm not sure what to say - but it's well known internally GM wants to expand the Mountain View office. 42 jobs listed in Mountain View https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Mountain+View&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat... 6 in Detroit https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Detroit&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat... 16 in Austin https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Austin&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat...
  - hipadev23 2y ago
    Where did I, or anyone, suggest they're fake job postings? I'm pointing out the bit of your logic where they didn't offer the ~600 engineers in Michigan comparable jobs in the Mountain View office. And due to COL changes, you know damn well they'd have materially lower salary expectations than Mountain View natives. That's the part of your "just move the jobs to the Bay Area" theory which doesn't make sense. Relocating trained employees is massively more cost-effective than firing + hiring + training.
tims33 2y ago
Probably just increasing the number of Accenture and Infosys offshore engineers and H1Bs they're using. Most of these jobs are probably old school IT.
CydeWeys 2y ago
Highly doubt it. That would increase their labor costs; they were already set up well with having those SWEs in Michigan.
al_borland 2y ago
So they can pay more per employee to account for the higher cost of living and competition in tech? How is that the move? It also seems like designing the hardware and software in the same place would be useful, so it actually feels like they were designed to go together.
- AlotOfReading 2y ago
  Automakers already have satellite offices in major tech areas. Toyota, Mercedes, GM, Ford, and Kia/Hyundai all have bay area offices that mainly cater to software people already. I know this layoff affected the Austin GM office too. The hardware design is done by geographically separated teams for various reasons, often in multiple countries. You just ship the hardware where it needs to go, which you have to do anyway to get it from the factory to an office building.

hipadev23 2y ago

They're laying off engineers in Michigan and overseas to move jobs to the Bay Area? You're going to have to connect the dots for me on this one.

fma 2y ago
Connect the dots as in why it makes sense? Or provide evidence? I can't tell you why it would make sense to the executives, but below are job searches for keyword software. You can yada yada and say maybe it's fake postings in which case I'm not sure what to say - but it's well known internally GM wants to expand the Mountain View office. 42 jobs listed in Mountain View https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Mountain+View&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat... 6 in Detroit https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Detroit&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat... 16 in Austin https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&location=Austin&pagesize=20#results https://search-careers.gm.com/en/jobs/?search=software&locat...
- hipadev23 2y ago
  Where did I, or anyone, suggest they're fake job postings? I'm pointing out the bit of your logic where they didn't offer the ~600 engineers in Michigan comparable jobs in the Mountain View office. And due to COL changes, you know damn well they'd have materially lower salary expectations than Mountain View natives. That's the part of your "just move the jobs to the Bay Area" theory which doesn't make sense. Relocating trained employees is massively more cost-effective than firing + hiring + training.

tims33 2y ago

Probably just increasing the number of Accenture and Infosys offshore engineers and H1Bs they're using. Most of these jobs are probably old school IT.

CydeWeys 2y ago

Highly doubt it. That would increase their labor costs; they were already set up well with having those SWEs in Michigan.

al_borland 2y ago

So they can pay more per employee to account for the higher cost of living and competition in tech? How is that the move? It also seems like designing the hardware and software in the same place would be useful, so it actually feels like they were designed to go together.

AlotOfReading 2y ago
Automakers already have satellite offices in major tech areas. Toyota, Mercedes, GM, Ford, and Kia/Hyundai all have bay area offices that mainly cater to software people already. I know this layoff affected the Austin GM office too. The hardware design is done by geographically separated teams for various reasons, often in multiple countries. You just ship the hardware where it needs to go, which you have to do anyway to get it from the factory to an office building.