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I still think the OrangePi and BananaPi lines are a better price/performance ratio.

spockz 2y ago
They are Some Intel N100 based boards in the pi5/OrangePi/BananaPi price range. They are more powerful and can have their power consumption capped to that of the Pis. What is still the value proposition of the pis?
- lnxg33k1 2y ago
  Probably other companies don't have staff offending people on social networks
- geerlingguy 2y ago
  The Radxa X4 is a recent entrant and starts at $60. It has its compromises but is an interesting alternative with an onboard RP2040 providing GPIO.
  - jauntywundrkind 2y ago
    I have an Radxa X4 on order, thinking it would be somewhat on par with other X4's. Your writeup is making me somewhat regret-im-advance this purchase. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-intel-n100-and-raspberry-pi-rp2040 https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-i...
  - TiredOfLife 2y ago
    Half of price is hidden in shipping fee. It's 60 + 70 in shipping + taxes.
  - alias_neo 2y ago
    As you said in your recent video though, it'd be more effort to use the GPIO due to the side-channel RP2040. I was interesting in looking at the Radxa Zero 3 after one of your videos; for an application where I need the Zero form-factor but more power than a Zero 2W, unfortunately a quick look at the Radxa forums left me with the impression I'd spend half of my time fighting with poor software and general board issues, and there's only so many rabbit-holes I have the time and energy to go down these days. Knowing you've tested a good selection of boards, can you think of anything in that FF that runs mainline Linux, or something close?
- guappa 2y ago
  gpio
jeswin 2y ago
Yep. With the popularity, one would assume we'd be able to get a CPU that's not a decade behind smartphones. Mine is now gathering dust; it's inefficient for the power it consumes.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  The power consumption is genuinely worse than advertised (2x the draw of Pi 4, 3x the performance). The reality is a 3W idle minimum, 15W at full load, meanwhile the Pi 4 can idle at 1W and won't ever go over 5W. They're just about the same power per watt, the efficiency gains are zero.
- dandanua 2y ago
  For a NAS, surveillance, streaming and alike I think old smartphones are more efficient than modern Pi and analogies. They also have a screen, battery, less heating and other advantages.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    > less heating I am not so sure about that unless maybe you mod them to extract everything from the original casing and add heatsinks and possibly a fan. Also from a safety point of view, you'd need to make sure those can still be powered up without their batteries as I wouldn't trust a +10y old smartphone battery on a device that is running unattended 24h/365d/year.
jerrysievert 2y ago
I have a couple of orangepi 5+'s that replaced a large, loud, power hungry server. with an attached nvme drive, iscsi connected over 2.5gbit ethernet, 8 cores, and 32gb of ram, they are quite capable. one is the primary database, another runs everything else in docker containers.
hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 2y ago
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seanvelasco 2y ago
my only issue with Orange Pi is that it can't run the Ubuntu images that work on the Pi, I have to use the armbian Ubuntu. i'm not quite for if the responsibility is on Canonical or the SBC manufacturer. i'm just saying it's one of the reasons why I have trouble getting started with the Orange Pi price-wise, though, Orange Pi is unbeatable. the Raspberry Pi has no business being more expensive than an Intel NUC
- jerrysievert 2y ago
  while not perfect, this is fairly close: https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip
forinti 2y ago
I really like their H618 offerings with Zero form factor and 4GB of RAM. Plus the Banana Pi M4 has eMMC.

They are Some Intel N100 based boards in the pi5/OrangePi/BananaPi price range. They are more powerful and can have their power consumption capped to that of the Pis. What is still the value proposition of the pis?

lnxg33k1 2y ago
Probably other companies don't have staff offending people on social networks
geerlingguy 2y ago
The Radxa X4 is a recent entrant and starts at $60. It has its compromises but is an interesting alternative with an onboard RP2040 providing GPIO.
- jauntywundrkind 2y ago
  I have an Radxa X4 on order, thinking it would be somewhat on par with other X4's. Your writeup is making me somewhat regret-im-advance this purchase. https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-intel-n100-and-raspberry-pi-rp2040 https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2024/radxa-x4-sbc-unites-i...
- TiredOfLife 2y ago
  Half of price is hidden in shipping fee. It's 60 + 70 in shipping + taxes.
- alias_neo 2y ago
  As you said in your recent video though, it'd be more effort to use the GPIO due to the side-channel RP2040. I was interesting in looking at the Radxa Zero 3 after one of your videos; for an application where I need the Zero form-factor but more power than a Zero 2W, unfortunately a quick look at the Radxa forums left me with the impression I'd spend half of my time fighting with poor software and general board issues, and there's only so many rabbit-holes I have the time and energy to go down these days. Knowing you've tested a good selection of boards, can you think of anything in that FF that runs mainline Linux, or something close?
guappa 2y ago
gpio

jeswin 2y ago

Yep. With the popularity, one would assume we'd be able to get a CPU that's not a decade behind smartphones. Mine is now gathering dust; it's inefficient for the power it consumes.

moffkalast 2y ago
The power consumption is genuinely worse than advertised (2x the draw of Pi 4, 3x the performance). The reality is a 3W idle minimum, 15W at full load, meanwhile the Pi 4 can idle at 1W and won't ever go over 5W. They're just about the same power per watt, the efficiency gains are zero.
dandanua 2y ago
For a NAS, surveillance, streaming and alike I think old smartphones are more efficient than modern Pi and analogies. They also have a screen, battery, less heating and other advantages.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  > less heating I am not so sure about that unless maybe you mod them to extract everything from the original casing and add heatsinks and possibly a fan. Also from a safety point of view, you'd need to make sure those can still be powered up without their batteries as I wouldn't trust a +10y old smartphone battery on a device that is running unattended 24h/365d/year.

jerrysievert 2y ago

I have a couple of orangepi 5+'s that replaced a large, loud, power hungry server. with an attached nvme drive, iscsi connected over 2.5gbit ethernet, 8 cores, and 32gb of ram, they are quite capable. one is the primary database, another runs everything else in docker containers.

hkgjjgjfjfjfjf 2y ago

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seanvelasco 2y ago

my only issue with Orange Pi is that it can't run the Ubuntu images that work on the Pi, I have to use the armbian Ubuntu. i'm not quite for if the responsibility is on Canonical or the SBC manufacturer. i'm just saying it's one of the reasons why I have trouble getting started with the Orange Pi price-wise, though, Orange Pi is unbeatable. the Raspberry Pi has no business being more expensive than an Intel NUC

jerrysievert 2y ago
while not perfect, this is fairly close: https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip https://github.com/Joshua-Riek/ubuntu-rockchip

forinti 2y ago

I really like their H618 offerings with Zero form factor and 4GB of RAM. Plus the Banana Pi M4 has eMMC.