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Alternatively why even have a meeting? Just have a channel in slack/mattermost/teams for your team to post what they did and what they are stuck on at the end

Alternatively why even have a meeting? Just have a channel in slack/mattermost/teams for your team to post what they did and what they are stuck on at the end of the day and what they plan on doing at the start of the day. You get the same result but without forcing people to spend the 15-30 minute wasted time before the meeting and the hour or so of degraded performance while they try to get back into the zone after the meeting. Standups only benefit management and they really are the pinnacle of "this could have been an email/message". The only time they may be acceptable is if everyone on the team dedicates their entire schedule (at least for the week) on that one project and if they work the exact same hours, the exact same days, in a no-remote environment. Then you can have a quick 10 minute meeting around the coffee machine while people grab their coffee in the morning. Otherwise just make it an email/slack message.

yieldcrv 2y ago
yes that’s what asynchronously refers to, it’s in my post you might have been typing while I added that
- CuriousCosmic 2y ago
  ahhhh yeah. I'm guessing I probably caught it right in that sweet spot between post and edit.
hosh 2y ago
Unless people sync up socially, it is unlikely the team will gel. Some places let a lone developer do everything. More power to them. I think there's a better chance for the team to problem solve together and be able to have continuity as people join and leave the team.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  You can go for tgif for socially gelling. We go to lunch together, often dinner en also drinks. No need for standups for any social contact. Especially when talking about work things.
  - hosh 2y ago
    That sounds like there is something to unpack there. I think it is beneficial but others do not. Why is it? Maybe it is because I've largely worked on remote-first teams, even before COVID. There are no TGIF, unless people make an effort to zoom together while drinking or something.
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      Sure, I work mostly with remote teams for the past 30 years. My point stands in that yes, Zoom is nice for socialising; I see no point in daily standups and voice meetings. We do have drinks/gaming for social; just no one wants to 'socialise' while working on something; it's simply not effective.
      - CuriousCosmic 2y ago
        This. Virtual coworking spaces are a great solution for people who work well that way and you can host virtual game nights or movie nights outside of working hours for people who want to participate but you can't make people socialize by wasting their time with pointless mandatory meetings.
      - hosh 2y ago
        Socialization isn’t about doing things like pizza night or having games. It’s more about establishing connection and rapport, the basis of trust and communication. Most people are not going to be doing that asynchronously.
        anonzzzies 2y ago
        Most humans we hire / work with / meet online or irl do. It doesn't really matter what 'the rest' are up to for me.
      - fragmede 2y ago
        > just no one wants to 'socialise' while working on something; it's simply not effective. That sounds like you disregard the entire notion of paired programming, which I'm sure you didn't mean to do.
- CuriousCosmic 2y ago
  This does not require standups. You can have planning meetings but those are relatively short (<1hr) bi-weekly or monthly meetings. And you can have an open coworking VC. I've not seen this formally in a corporate environment personally but I've sat in calls with friends at work for hours doing mostly the same thing (just informally). And in a formal capacity it's fairly common in open source project spaces. Their discords will have an open VC channel for "co-working" or working while on VC so they can occasionally chat, ask questions, or otherwise interact socially in a way you could while in an office setting. The best part of coworking spaces is that they are optional. You join when you want and you deafen yourself or leave/DND when you don't want to be there and need to be undisturbed. If you want to build a social fabric and get the team integrated, the way you do that is culture. Enforcing socialization isn't a good thing. Don't make "Mandatory Fun". The only thing it breeds is a toxic work environment where people don't want to be there.

yieldcrv 2y ago

yes that’s what asynchronously refers to, it’s in my post you might have been typing while I added that

CuriousCosmic 2y ago
ahhhh yeah. I'm guessing I probably caught it right in that sweet spot between post and edit.

hosh 2y ago

Unless people sync up socially, it is unlikely the team will gel. Some places let a lone developer do everything. More power to them. I think there's a better chance for the team to problem solve together and be able to have continuity as people join and leave the team.

anonzzzies 2y ago
You can go for tgif for socially gelling. We go to lunch together, often dinner en also drinks. No need for standups for any social contact. Especially when talking about work things.
- hosh 2y ago
  That sounds like there is something to unpack there. I think it is beneficial but others do not. Why is it? Maybe it is because I've largely worked on remote-first teams, even before COVID. There are no TGIF, unless people make an effort to zoom together while drinking or something.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    Sure, I work mostly with remote teams for the past 30 years. My point stands in that yes, Zoom is nice for socialising; I see no point in daily standups and voice meetings. We do have drinks/gaming for social; just no one wants to 'socialise' while working on something; it's simply not effective.
    - CuriousCosmic 2y ago
      This. Virtual coworking spaces are a great solution for people who work well that way and you can host virtual game nights or movie nights outside of working hours for people who want to participate but you can't make people socialize by wasting their time with pointless mandatory meetings.
    - hosh 2y ago
      Socialization isn’t about doing things like pizza night or having games. It’s more about establishing connection and rapport, the basis of trust and communication. Most people are not going to be doing that asynchronously.
      - anonzzzies 2y ago
        Most humans we hire / work with / meet online or irl do. It doesn't really matter what 'the rest' are up to for me.
    - fragmede 2y ago
      > just no one wants to 'socialise' while working on something; it's simply not effective. That sounds like you disregard the entire notion of paired programming, which I'm sure you didn't mean to do.
CuriousCosmic 2y ago
This does not require standups. You can have planning meetings but those are relatively short (<1hr) bi-weekly or monthly meetings. And you can have an open coworking VC. I've not seen this formally in a corporate environment personally but I've sat in calls with friends at work for hours doing mostly the same thing (just informally). And in a formal capacity it's fairly common in open source project spaces. Their discords will have an open VC channel for "co-working" or working while on VC so they can occasionally chat, ask questions, or otherwise interact socially in a way you could while in an office setting. The best part of coworking spaces is that they are optional. You join when you want and you deafen yourself or leave/DND when you don't want to be there and need to be undisturbed. If you want to build a social fabric and get the team integrated, the way you do that is culture. Enforcing socialization isn't a good thing. Don't make "Mandatory Fun". The only thing it breeds is a toxic work environment where people don't want to be there.