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>because it's still so surprising to me, as a European, that people would have guns in their homes like it's the most natural thing in the world. Then you must
by southernplaces7 2y ago
>because it's still so surprising to me, as a European, that people would have guns in their homes like it's the most natural thing in the world.
Then you must be one very insulated or ignorant European. Many people in many European countries own guns and keep them in their homes. Some states, such as the Czech Republic, even have remarkably flexible gun ownership laws and others have widespread private gun ownership to a degree that's not too different from that of the U.S. In Norway and Finland for example, private possession of firearms amounts to something like a quarter of the population measured per 100 people.
I'm also a European, and i'm not sure how being one means a damn thing about categorically judging a complex thing like gun ownership in any other culture or place. This applies particularly since many other Europeans in dozens of different states with their own contexts have entirely different motives for doing something practical one way or another. It's downright absurd to claim that "as a European" you can make any kind of value statement about the tendencies in such a diverse range of countries and contexts. Never mind being able to judge the personal protection motives of people in other continents.
Owning guns has many good reasons behind it in any case. These include the obvious like general self protection, home protection, hunting and collecting, but also less obvious reasons that are specific to very particular places.
I currently live in a country where gun ownership is severely restricted, legally at least, but in which violent crime and firearm homicide rates are rampantly high. Many people here have very good reasons to keep guns, under the real world circumstances of criminal groups and gangs having them, the police being uselessly corrupt, and the practical reality of all of that being something that one can't simply wish away by magic, even if they're wishing "as a European".
It's ever more tedious to see random comments with "As a European" appear on this site, followed by some smug, morally superior little value judgement of others from the perspective of one very narrow, insular mindset.
- defrost 2y ago> In Norway and Finland for example, private possession of firearms amounts to something like a quarter of the population measured per 100 people. Weird sentence. What would that be per 1000 people .. still a quarter? To clarify, Norway has ~ 28 firearms per 100 people but only 1 in 10 people own at least one firearm. So, like say Australia (where I'm from) it's a relatively low ownership rate but firearm owners tend to have multiple firearms.
- southernplaces7 2y agoSorry I phrased it poorly maybe and yes, it was a rate of between 20 and 25 or so per 100 people (not 1000). As you mention, I guessed that much of that also applied to a smaller percentage owning the majority of guns. Those things aside, I don't think this takes away from my main argument.
- defrost 2y agoSure, if we substitute "many people own guns" with "10% of people own guns" the your argument holds that most people in Europe simply don't avail themselves of guns despite the "good reasons" you cite. I'm in a rural are in Australia, we have guns like we have shovels and mechanic pits in the sheds - they're funtional tools with a purpose (guns -> feral control). Waving guns about to deter thieves isn't as useful as having actionable video evidence of theft that identifies people and vehicles .. and it runs the risk of escalation and having to deal with a wounding | murder charge.