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And then when Apple adds it to the existing OS functionality demoed at the beginning of the video, we can have a different embodiment of "the problem of macOS",

And then when Apple adds it to the existing OS functionality demoed at the beginning of the video, we can have a different embodiment of "the problem of macOS", and look forward to articles about how Apple is "sherlocking" small developers again. More seriously I don't understand what the problem is here. Is the problem That some functionality or another wasn't built into the OS? Most things "linux" does aren't built into "linux" or even "gnu/linux", they're a distribution composed of both some combination of linux kernel, base tooling apps and then improved UX apps on top of that, all of which will vary greatly in what functionality they provide out of the box. What makes this particular app and functionality a critical piece that an OS should provide? Is the problem that the developer is charging money for their work? Why is that a problem? For the life of me I don't understand why software developers seem so hellbent on devaluing their own work. Why is it outrageous to spend $30 for something like this if the built in window management functionality doesn't suit you? If you're broke, or live somewhere where $30 USD is a lot of money, sure you might be annoyed that you either need to code this up yourself, or dig for someone offering a free replacement, but if you're not either of those, $30 is a hair over dinner for 2 at a fast food restaurant these days. It's (likely less than) a tank of gas. It is 1 hour of work at the median US developer salary of $79k / year. If you could code something like this up in less than an hour, maybe it's not worth your time, but if you can't, it's a screaming deal if this is something you need. Software is worth something, human labor goes into it, and those humans need to eat and pay their bills. Maybe big corporations with deep pockets and huge recurring revenue streams have warped our views a bit with the amount of software they can give away for free. Certainly the amount of benefit we have all received from countless people volunteering their time away at various open source project has spoiled us some. But those people can only volunteer their time because somewhere, someone else is paying them for other parts of their time. If we the developers constantly treat our labor as if it has no value, why would we expect anyone else to treat it otherwise?

szastamasta 2y ago
I just wanted to say that I love you man. We are so crazy as devs. We’re outraged when someone wants few dollars for their app. Especially when it’s a one guy trying to make a living from building small apps like this. In the meantime we dream about opening a 1 person software shop selling small apps and getting out of corp work. This is total madness.
talldayo 2y ago
> Maybe big corporations with deep pockets and huge recurring revenue streams have warped our views a bit with the amount of software they can give away for free. Quite the opposite. We've paid with our attention, patience, freedom and time for far too long to get fooled into the "paid software" shtick again. You can't sell me a window manager with a guarantee that Apple won't brick it in a future update or even with a promise it will get improved. I can't upgrade or extend it myself if the app does get depreciated, and I can't complain to Apple since normally they're the ones choosing what to depreciate. Best case scenario I get 2-4 years out of my purchase before it's depreciated, assuming I don't get bored with it or find a better solution. Sometimes I wonder how much software on MacOS would be free if notarization didn't cost money. Apple has really damned their software ecosystem by forcing every developer to recoup their annual fee whether they're a multi-billion dollar corporation, an indie in Ghana with a used Macbook, or a Free Software advocate simply trying to get Mac users their packages.
- rpmisms 2y ago
  I wonder how successful an independent non-profit broker could be. Submit your apps, if they meet these basic quality and usefulness standards we will pay for notarization. Donate to us to help build the world of free Mac software.
- tpmoney 2y ago
  >I can't upgrade or extend it myself if the app does get depreciated, and I can't complain to Apple since normally they're the ones choosing what to depreciate. Best case scenario I get 2-4 years out of my purchase before it's depreciated, assuming I don't get bored with it or find a better solution. I still don't understand the problem. Lets assume you got exactly 1 year out of this app before it irreparably broke and the author didn't update it. $30 / 365 days works out to a whopping 8¢ per day. If you need or want this functionality, is it worth 8¢ per day to you to not have to code it yourself even if only for a year? > Sometimes I wonder how much software on MacOS would be free if notarization didn't cost money. MacOS has always had a very strong small developer scene that lived on small apps selling at small prices, long before notarization was a thing. One of the most famous small mac developers Ambrosia Software went for decades on shareware models for most of their software, including little utilities like this. Rogue Amoeba continues that trend. NetNewswire was a shareware RSS app before it went free. Likewise the Omni Group was charging for MacOS software long before this as well. And again, why is this a problem? Why do you want to treat software like the work that went into that software has no value? Why shouldn't people who do work you find useful get paid for their work?
MissTake 2y ago
Thanks for saving me the time to type this out myself, but far better than I could have done. 100% in agreement!

szastamasta 2y ago

I just wanted to say that I love you man. We are so crazy as devs. We’re outraged when someone wants few dollars for their app. Especially when it’s a one guy trying to make a living from building small apps like this. In the meantime we dream about opening a 1 person software shop selling small apps and getting out of corp work. This is total madness.

talldayo 2y ago

> Maybe big corporations with deep pockets and huge recurring revenue streams have warped our views a bit with the amount of software they can give away for free. Quite the opposite. We've paid with our attention, patience, freedom and time for far too long to get fooled into the "paid software" shtick again. You can't sell me a window manager with a guarantee that Apple won't brick it in a future update or even with a promise it will get improved. I can't upgrade or extend it myself if the app does get depreciated, and I can't complain to Apple since normally they're the ones choosing what to depreciate. Best case scenario I get 2-4 years out of my purchase before it's depreciated, assuming I don't get bored with it or find a better solution. Sometimes I wonder how much software on MacOS would be free if notarization didn't cost money. Apple has really damned their software ecosystem by forcing every developer to recoup their annual fee whether they're a multi-billion dollar corporation, an indie in Ghana with a used Macbook, or a Free Software advocate simply trying to get Mac users their packages.

rpmisms 2y ago
I wonder how successful an independent non-profit broker could be. Submit your apps, if they meet these basic quality and usefulness standards we will pay for notarization. Donate to us to help build the world of free Mac software.
tpmoney 2y ago
>I can't upgrade or extend it myself if the app does get depreciated, and I can't complain to Apple since normally they're the ones choosing what to depreciate. Best case scenario I get 2-4 years out of my purchase before it's depreciated, assuming I don't get bored with it or find a better solution. I still don't understand the problem. Lets assume you got exactly 1 year out of this app before it irreparably broke and the author didn't update it. $30 / 365 days works out to a whopping 8¢ per day. If you need or want this functionality, is it worth 8¢ per day to you to not have to code it yourself even if only for a year? > Sometimes I wonder how much software on MacOS would be free if notarization didn't cost money. MacOS has always had a very strong small developer scene that lived on small apps selling at small prices, long before notarization was a thing. One of the most famous small mac developers Ambrosia Software went for decades on shareware models for most of their software, including little utilities like this. Rogue Amoeba continues that trend. NetNewswire was a shareware RSS app before it went free. Likewise the Omni Group was charging for MacOS software long before this as well. And again, why is this a problem? Why do you want to treat software like the work that went into that software has no value? Why shouldn't people who do work you find useful get paid for their work?

MissTake 2y ago

Thanks for saving me the time to type this out myself, but far better than I could have done. 100% in agreement!