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A display that only you can watch will become rare and extra valuable. I wonder what percentage of internet traffic is already "defunct" analytics, send home d

A display that only you can watch will become rare and extra valuable. I wonder what percentage of internet traffic is already "defunct" analytics, send home data for manufacturers that moved on, devices spying for masters that no longer listen.

f_allwein 2y ago
Maybe there’s a (limited) business opportunity here, for a dumb TV.
- parl_match 2y ago
  Except.... that's just any tv on the market. Don't connect it to the internet, only use external inputs. Or buy a signage/professional model
  - poikroequ 2y ago
    That's increasingly no longer true. For many new smart TVs, you literally can't use them until you connect them to the internet.
    - mikestew 2y ago
      Then back into the box it would immediately go, and back from whence it came for a refund. What do they expect me to do with such a TV at my remote country cabin? Our new LG OLED purchased just weeks ago, BTW, works just fine without a network connection. Thanks to HDMI CEC, I’ve seen the TV’s home screen maybe twice.
      - m463 2y ago
        Sort of annoying that really good LG sets have really not good sound. The remedy is to get an LG soundbar, which sounds great. ...but you can't use it without wifi. Even if you don't connect the soundbar to your wifi, the soundbar will create a visible wifi AP for the subwoofer to connect to.
    - thejazzman 2y ago
      I've never heard of a TV doing this. Would you mind shaming the brand(s) doing it?
    - parl_match 2y ago
      That is a wild claim, I'd need to know a manufacturer who does this.
  - nothercastle 2y ago
    I have a lg c2 never connected never going to.
    - parl_match 2y ago
      fwiw you should connect it to the internet if you haven't, and do a firmware update. they released some serious quality related stuff and also wear leveling improvements and then immediately disconnect it after. you might also be able to do the update with a thumbdrive, idk
WaitWaitWha 2y ago
> devices spying for masters that no longer listen. An excellent way to represent a problem that is spreading like fungus. I do not have this worked out yet, but ... The problem is significantly larger than just TV. I think the root problem is around software. Not necessarily software herself, but the notion that a good enough code can be deployed since the ease of updating is present. GM's response to Bill Gates criticism has come around ("If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with..."), and now vehicles are built, and many other things including TVs the same as "software". I despise regulations, but here I think we would need something. If company is selling a product, it must be able to function without internet, it must be able to function without continuous updates. I just do not know how we can prevent companies switching to leasing, instead of selling.

f_allwein 2y ago

Maybe there’s a (limited) business opportunity here, for a dumb TV.

parl_match 2y ago
Except.... that's just any tv on the market. Don't connect it to the internet, only use external inputs. Or buy a signage/professional model
- poikroequ 2y ago
  That's increasingly no longer true. For many new smart TVs, you literally can't use them until you connect them to the internet.
  - mikestew 2y ago
    Then back into the box it would immediately go, and back from whence it came for a refund. What do they expect me to do with such a TV at my remote country cabin? Our new LG OLED purchased just weeks ago, BTW, works just fine without a network connection. Thanks to HDMI CEC, I’ve seen the TV’s home screen maybe twice.
    - m463 2y ago
      Sort of annoying that really good LG sets have really not good sound. The remedy is to get an LG soundbar, which sounds great. ...but you can't use it without wifi. Even if you don't connect the soundbar to your wifi, the soundbar will create a visible wifi AP for the subwoofer to connect to.
  - thejazzman 2y ago
    I've never heard of a TV doing this. Would you mind shaming the brand(s) doing it?
  - parl_match 2y ago
    That is a wild claim, I'd need to know a manufacturer who does this.
- nothercastle 2y ago
  I have a lg c2 never connected never going to.
  - parl_match 2y ago
    fwiw you should connect it to the internet if you haven't, and do a firmware update. they released some serious quality related stuff and also wear leveling improvements and then immediately disconnect it after. you might also be able to do the update with a thumbdrive, idk

WaitWaitWha 2y ago

> devices spying for masters that no longer listen. An excellent way to represent a problem that is spreading like fungus. I do not have this worked out yet, but ... The problem is significantly larger than just TV. I think the root problem is around software. Not necessarily software herself, but the notion that a good enough code can be deployed since the ease of updating is present. GM's response to Bill Gates criticism has come around ("If General Motors had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with..."), and now vehicles are built, and many other things including TVs the same as "software". I despise regulations, but here I think we would need something. If company is selling a product, it must be able to function without internet, it must be able to function without continuous updates. I just do not know how we can prevent companies switching to leasing, instead of selling.