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Might be true but at the same time if it takes you three months to process/verify a complaint from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau you probably are doi

Might be true but at the same time if it takes you three months to process/verify a complaint from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau you probably are doing a crap job. Which in turn make it that much easier for scammer. > The real problem here is that we're expecting Google to do this instead of law enforcement. Is there a scammer? Arrest them. What a joke how can you believe that international justice will be fast enough to handle the issue of scammer spamming apps ... In the end those app are probably against the store TOS and if Google can't manage to correctly enforce their own TOS you can argue it's partially on them.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
> if Google can't manage to correctly enforce their own TOS The penalties for violating terms of service generally have no teeth (they close your account, they don't sue you for damages), and you don't want it to be otherwise because ordinary people are constantly violating the terms as well, which are written specifically with the intent that everyone is constantly violating them so the company can always claim that anyone is in violation. But if you close a scammer's account they just make a new one. Which is why violations of the law need to be handled by law enforcement, who have to prove the crime beyond a reasonable doubt but then can impose a penalty that actually acts as a deterrent.
- dns_snek 2y ago
  You're right, scammers will likely just make new accounts and publish new apps, but if Google took down the apps immediately and informed all users that the app they installed was a scam, they would've prevented $millions from being stolen. The justice system should eventually track down and lock up the people responsible, but the service providers (Google, Apple, etc.) are the only ones who can - and should be obligated to - stop actively facilitating financial crimes.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    > if Google took down the apps immediately and informed all users that the app they installed was a scam, they would've prevented $millions from being stolen. But this is the same problem. They're using some unreliable heuristics to detect this sort of thing and they have false positives. So you're proposing that they authoritatively assert that something is a scam and destroy the reputation of untold innocent people on the basis of some unreliable machine learning algorithm. The innocent people would sue them and it would be hard to blame them. > the service providers (Google, Apple, etc.) are the only ones who can - and should be obligated to - stop actively facilitating financial crimes. Except that they can't, because they don't have a fact finding apparatus that can accurately determine if a crime is being committed or not.
    - dns_snek 2y ago
      God no, I don't want them to delegate the job to any sort of automated process. > Except that they can't, because they don't have a fact finding apparatus that can accurately determine if a crime is being committed or not. I want them to hire people who actually do the job and clean up their own mess. They need to perform extensive background checks on any application dealing with finance, which they apparently don't do at all. If you open their website [1], you're immediately presented with an offer to make over $4000 just by registering. As soon as you click that, they even show you a 5 minute timer to put you under time pressure. This is extremely low hanging fruit in the world of obvious and less obvious scams. [1] https://www.yobit.net/en/ https://www.yobit.net/en/

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

> if Google can't manage to correctly enforce their own TOS The penalties for violating terms of service generally have no teeth (they close your account, they don't sue you for damages), and you don't want it to be otherwise because ordinary people are constantly violating the terms as well, which are written specifically with the intent that everyone is constantly violating them so the company can always claim that anyone is in violation. But if you close a scammer's account they just make a new one. Which is why violations of the law need to be handled by law enforcement, who have to prove the crime beyond a reasonable doubt but then can impose a penalty that actually acts as a deterrent.

dns_snek 2y ago
You're right, scammers will likely just make new accounts and publish new apps, but if Google took down the apps immediately and informed all users that the app they installed was a scam, they would've prevented $millions from being stolen. The justice system should eventually track down and lock up the people responsible, but the service providers (Google, Apple, etc.) are the only ones who can - and should be obligated to - stop actively facilitating financial crimes.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  > if Google took down the apps immediately and informed all users that the app they installed was a scam, they would've prevented $millions from being stolen. But this is the same problem. They're using some unreliable heuristics to detect this sort of thing and they have false positives. So you're proposing that they authoritatively assert that something is a scam and destroy the reputation of untold innocent people on the basis of some unreliable machine learning algorithm. The innocent people would sue them and it would be hard to blame them. > the service providers (Google, Apple, etc.) are the only ones who can - and should be obligated to - stop actively facilitating financial crimes. Except that they can't, because they don't have a fact finding apparatus that can accurately determine if a crime is being committed or not.
  - dns_snek 2y ago
    God no, I don't want them to delegate the job to any sort of automated process. > Except that they can't, because they don't have a fact finding apparatus that can accurately determine if a crime is being committed or not. I want them to hire people who actually do the job and clean up their own mess. They need to perform extensive background checks on any application dealing with finance, which they apparently don't do at all. If you open their website [1], you're immediately presented with an offer to make over $4000 just by registering. As soon as you click that, they even show you a 5 minute timer to put you under time pressure. This is extremely low hanging fruit in the world of obvious and less obvious scams. [1] https://www.yobit.net/en/ https://www.yobit.net/en/