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>Yes, school shootings are a problem. But why does there need to be 30 cell phones in the classroom? The landline on the teacher's desk can be enough. Or even a

>Yes, school shootings are a problem. But why does there need to be 30 cell phones in the classroom? The landline on the teacher's desk can be enough. Or even a button to turn off the jammer. A single landline isn't going to help 30 kids call their parents and say a final good-bye before the shooter kills them, while the town police force stands outside.

oldpersonintx 2y ago
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lupusreal 2y ago
That's a rare circumstance that is made to seem more common by very wide media coverage. And even in that sort of situation, it seems doubtful that it actually helps anybody either. Some parents will show up and get in the way of emergence responders. Most kids who call their parents will end up surviving anyway, and the phonecalls end up increasing the number of people who get PTSD from the whole thing. If a modest sized school of 500 kids has an above average shooting which kills 20, then you have 480+ parents getting a premature ""last call""; all would have been better off hearing about the incident after they already knew their kid was safe.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  These kinds of calculations aren't useful to a typical US parent who, after the Uvalde disaster, has absolutely no reason to trust law enforcement to handle such a situation competently, and every reason to distrust them. Why should they assume that the cops in their town are any better than Uvalde's? They're going to hear "your kid can't have their phone in our school" and think of this.
  - lupusreal 2y ago
    Whether or not the cops in your town are shit, your kid having a cellphone doesn't help.
chgs 2y ago
> A single landline isn't going to help 30 kids call their parents and say a final good-bye before the shooter kills them, while the town police force stands outside. I’ve had this scenario in training at work before deploying to certain global locations (Afghanistan, Gaza, Somalia etc) That it even crosses your mind suggests that the US is a country broken beyond repair.
WalterBright 2y ago
See: "a button to turn off the jammer"
consteval 2y ago
I don't understand, do you guys think the children's phones are being vaporized by the Phone Vaporizer 5000? When people say "no phones in class" they don't mean kid's can't have phones. They mean they can't use their phone in class. I think, probably, this rule does NOT apply during an active shooter. That's my guess. I would imagine the teacher isn't going to start enforcing that rule while under lockdown. What do you think?

oldpersonintx 2y ago

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lupusreal 2y ago

That's a rare circumstance that is made to seem more common by very wide media coverage. And even in that sort of situation, it seems doubtful that it actually helps anybody either. Some parents will show up and get in the way of emergence responders. Most kids who call their parents will end up surviving anyway, and the phonecalls end up increasing the number of people who get PTSD from the whole thing. If a modest sized school of 500 kids has an above average shooting which kills 20, then you have 480+ parents getting a premature ""last call""; all would have been better off hearing about the incident after they already knew their kid was safe.

shiroiushi 2y ago
These kinds of calculations aren't useful to a typical US parent who, after the Uvalde disaster, has absolutely no reason to trust law enforcement to handle such a situation competently, and every reason to distrust them. Why should they assume that the cops in their town are any better than Uvalde's? They're going to hear "your kid can't have their phone in our school" and think of this.
- lupusreal 2y ago
  Whether or not the cops in your town are shit, your kid having a cellphone doesn't help.

chgs 2y ago

> A single landline isn't going to help 30 kids call their parents and say a final good-bye before the shooter kills them, while the town police force stands outside. I’ve had this scenario in training at work before deploying to certain global locations (Afghanistan, Gaza, Somalia etc) That it even crosses your mind suggests that the US is a country broken beyond repair.

WalterBright 2y ago

See: "a button to turn off the jammer"

consteval 2y ago

I don't understand, do you guys think the children's phones are being vaporized by the Phone Vaporizer 5000? When people say "no phones in class" they don't mean kid's can't have phones. They mean they can't use their phone in class. I think, probably, this rule does NOT apply during an active shooter. That's my guess. I would imagine the teacher isn't going to start enforcing that rule while under lockdown. What do you think?