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Big fan of helix and am in this camp. Used to have a bunch of plugins for neovim, but in Helix, honestly just haven't felt the need for anything besides what it

Big fan of helix and am in this camp. Used to have a bunch of plugins for neovim, but in Helix, honestly just haven't felt the need for anything besides what it comes with. It's a great editor.

_7tgr 2y ago
I think you only miss (or at least I noticed this happened to me) a plugin system when you've engaged with the programmable side of your editor and then have to use one that isn't. I dont use/try to stay away from using (neo)vim plugins but I do like to pull out repetitive things into little snippets. I have things to manage my clipboard, pull up manpages in another editor tab when I put my cursor over a command and press a key in terminal mode, and a scattering of other quick useful tools. A lot of it's not reasonable to upstream, so it's a bit frustrating to me personally to use stuff that isn't programmable. I've also toyed with emacs in the past and think I could like it for this reason, but ironically most other programming editors don't seem to be committed to the user's abilities as a programmer. I don't think it's nearly as easy/accessible/encouraged to program vscode, for instance. Self-documenting programmable programs like vim and emacs are so magical--- I hope they never go out of fashion.
- ctenb 2y ago
  Many helix users have their own fork to scratch that itch. I do too, and it's nice, but of course a little more maintenance than a set of scripts
  - _7tgr 2y ago
    I think a big missing piece with writing what you want in Rust and recompiling the editor to activate your changes is that you're not able to work with it _live_. That is, I can use the vim (or nvim or emacs) GUI/text processing/IO/etc facilities interactively as I'm writing my snippets to see if everything works the way I expected. I can send lines/expressions to the lua/elisp compiler running in the editor that I'm _currently using to write the program_ to change how it works, _on the fly_. It's an integrated programming experience in a way that very few things are--- it's not just about programmability, but this circular thing that goes on with editors that really fully commit to it.

Big fan of helix and am in this camp. Used to have a bunch of plugins for neovim, but in Helix, honestly just haven't felt the need for anything besides what it comes with. It's a great editor.

_7tgr 2y ago

I think you only miss (or at least I noticed this happened to me) a plugin system when you've engaged with the programmable side of your editor and then have to use one that isn't. I dont use/try to stay away from using (neo)vim plugins but I do like to pull out repetitive things into little snippets. I have things to manage my clipboard, pull up manpages in another editor tab when I put my cursor over a command and press a key in terminal mode, and a scattering of other quick useful tools. A lot of it's not reasonable to upstream, so it's a bit frustrating to me personally to use stuff that isn't programmable. I've also toyed with emacs in the past and think I could like it for this reason, but ironically most other programming editors don't seem to be committed to the user's abilities as a programmer. I don't think it's nearly as easy/accessible/encouraged to program vscode, for instance. Self-documenting programmable programs like vim and emacs are so magical--- I hope they never go out of fashion.

ctenb 2y ago
Many helix users have their own fork to scratch that itch. I do too, and it's nice, but of course a little more maintenance than a set of scripts
- _7tgr 2y ago
  I think a big missing piece with writing what you want in Rust and recompiling the editor to activate your changes is that you're not able to work with it _live_. That is, I can use the vim (or nvim or emacs) GUI/text processing/IO/etc facilities interactively as I'm writing my snippets to see if everything works the way I expected. I can send lines/expressions to the lua/elisp compiler running in the editor that I'm _currently using to write the program_ to change how it works, _on the fly_. It's an integrated programming experience in a way that very few things are--- it's not just about programmability, but this circular thing that goes on with editors that really fully commit to it.